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City of Milton Planning Commission
Special Called Meeting
July 31, 2008, 6:oo PM
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Commission Members Present: Paul Moore, Curtis Mills, Fred Edwards, Cary Schlenke, George
Ragsdale, Jennifer Fletcher, Joe Creamer
Meeting Leader/City Staff: Robyn MacDonald, Community Development
Mike Tuller, Community Development
Other City Staff: Matt Zyeswski
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Paul Moore: The Special Called Planning Commission Meeting was called to order at 6:35
p.m. He called role and all members were present.
MEETING AGENDA
1. Meeting call to Order
2. To discuss recommendations to forward to the City of Milton Mayor and City Council
regarding the formulation of a new sewer policy.
3. Adjourn
Chair Paul Moore:
• Announced the meeting was specially called and was legally posted.
• The discussion tonight was in anticipation of the City Council Work Session covering the topic
being discussed.
• The Special Called meeting came as a result of several of the commission members to have the
opportunity to discuss the matter prior to the City Council meeting to potentially be abl e to
make a recommendation to the Mayor and City Council from this Commission.
Chair Paul Moore:
• He had spoken with Staff Robyn MacDonald regarding attempting to get the City Attorney to
attend the meeting.
• Due to the last minute request, she was advised they had prior commitments and would not b e
able to attend.
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PUBLIC COMMENT
The Chairman announced since there was no public in attendance and therefore no one there to
speak, he would accept a motion to close public comment.
Motion transcribed verbatim
Motion and Second: Cary Schlenke moved to close public comment. Jennifer Fletcher seconded
the motion. There was no discussion. Vote 7-0. Motion unanimously carried to close public
comment.
At the request of a commission member, it has been added to the record that sometime
after the public hearing portion of the meeting had been closed, Jason Wright, a
reporter with the Milton Herald, arrived and was in attendance at the Planning
Commission meeting. Jason Wright did not speak.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Opened the floor up for discussion on the topic being discussed tonight.
Curtis Mills:
Motion transcribed verbatim
Motion and Second: Curtis Mills moved that the Chairman of the Milton Planning Commission
deliver the following request to the Milton City Council at the August 4, 2008 Work Session:
The Milton Planning Commission requests that the City Council reaffirm the existing "No Inter-Basin
Transfer Sewer Policy." If any modifications are made to the existing IGA (Inter-Governmental
Agreement), Inter-Basin Transfer Agreement, that those changes will be consistent with the existing
policy and not allowed expansion of sewer availability beyond that currently allowed by ordinance.
Cary Schlenke seconded the motion.
Discussion:
George Ragsdale:
• There were a couple of documents referenced in the motion that he had not seen.
• It was only appropriate before the motion that they see the referenced documents.
• Ordinance they have is the Fulton County Ordinance and did not see anything showing Milton
adopted the ordinance as written.
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Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Both the 2006 Inter-Basin and the Inter-Governmental Agreement between Fulton County and
the City of Milton for sewer service were provided to them.
George Ragsdale:
• Neither of those were the IGA between Fulton County and the City of Milton to provide sewer
serv1ce.
• The strategy document has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
• Milton not referenced in it.
• Ordinance they have is the Fulton County Ordinance and did not see anything indicating that
Milton adopted that Ordinance as written.
Cary Schlenke:
• It was her understanding Milton adopted all of those documents.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Resolution was approved by the Board of Commissioners.
• Believed it had been referenced in various other documents like the 2025 Plan.
• As far as Milton City Council taking the document since the adoption of it, it has not been
adopted verbatim because that would have become their policy.
• Thought City Council was working on this right now.
Cary Schlenke:
• She was not sure she was comfortable with that.
• Thought in the City Attorney's absence at the meeting, could they review their motion.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• That wo uld not be a problem and would forward it to them.
Cary Schlenke:
• The motion had been made but not yet vo ted on.
George Ragsdale:
• He was not objecting to the motion.
• His problem was the motion asks that they make a recommendation on two documents that he
had not seen.
Cary Schlenke:
• She was comfortable with what she believes they looked at and what the city has been following
and was or will be adopted.
• She has enough of an understanding of that Agreement that she was comfortable seconding
Curtis' motion.
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Curtis Mills:
• Wanted to come up with something simple and universally obvious that everyone would be in
agreement.
• Perhaps that was not possible.
• Believes that from their bylaws one of their primary responsibilities as the Planning
Commission to ensure adherence to existing policies.
• Thought this was in their purview.
• Regardless of what agreement says, they are either bound by it or not.
• If not bound for example by the IGA, then it is moot and that part of the motion is moot.
• If they are bound by it then it would not matter what it says, because whether they agree or not
on what it says, they would be bound to enforce it.
• Regarding sewer policies they get into a little bit of semantics on officially embraced or
officially approved versus unofficially defacto or indirect, etc.
• Stated he just wanted to see whether they can agree that the existing Inter-Basin Transfer
Policy as partially implemented at least by the IGA is their working policy.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Supported that comment.
• Have been many decisions made by City Council and Staff supporting the basic tenants of those
policies for granting or not granting land disturbance permits, etc.
• There was ample precedence of the use of these documents and should be supported as such.
• This is actually what they are asking City Council to do by the motion.
• Asking City Council to endorse those policies have they have been previously supporting them.
Cary Schlenke:
• Read the purpose of the Milton Planning Commission by the bylaws in Article II.
• Stated she felt it was important to reaffirm the Inter-Basin Transfer resolution and the IGA.
• Believed the PC would be doing their job in doing so.
George Ragsdale:
• Told Staff Robyn MacDonald he was somewhat confused.
• What Cary was reading from in his opinion was not the final version of the bylaws.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• She had a version from June 26th which was the last version they had.
George Ragsdale:
• The wording in Section I from the June 26th version was not what Cary read.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Would make copies of the last version, PDF it and send to the members of the PC.
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George Ragsdale:
• There had been a lot of discussion about this issue over the last year and last 10 years.
• Discussion has been consistent
• There has always been a consistent root misunderstanding or miscommunication about what
the whole house of cards is based on.
• Not taking issue with whether the ultimate objective is right or wrong.
• He was taking issue with the fact they are all sitting there tonight and they really do not know
at this time whether there is or is not a sewer ordinance in place for the City of Milton and it is
not on the table in front of them.
• They have an amendment that was done in 2006 and adopted by Fulton County and there is no
record that it was adopted by Milton and this issue concerns him.
• One of the Planning Commission's charges is to look at zoning ordinances and things actually
in place in the city and make recommendations for change.
• Not the words of Curtis' motion that bother me or the direction of it, but the fact they are being
asked to make a decision on something that I believe is premature.
• There is not a policy that has been truly been developed and adopted by the city.
• His concern with the motion as worded is the PC is being asked to recommend that they
reaffirm the existing "No Inter-Basin Sewer Transfer Policy, but he is not clear on what that is.
• He did not know how to vo te for it because he does not really know what it is.
• Wants to see the document first.
• Sarne thing with the Intergovernmental Agreement.
• Wants to see it first and then say yes they agree or not agree.
• Even if they approve it they would be basically telling City Council we do not want there to be
any expansion of sewer availability beyo nd that currently available and allowed by ordinance.
• There is still work being done with the Comprehensive Plan and they have not reached the
point where they think that is the right recommendation.
• As members of both bodies we are basically saying to ourselves that as the policy is, there
should not be an extension and we should not even consider that.
• Does not feel this is appropriate.
Cary Schlenke:
• Just saying that she is comfortable that whoever was in charge of adopting all the correct
policies and transferring what was Fulton County and is now City of Milton did their job.
• The Comp Plan and whatever decisions they make -it is a blank slate right now in her mind.
George Ragsdale:
• Asked if all they were doing was asking City Council to uphold the laws that are in place.
Cary Schlenke:
• Responded affirmatively.
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Curtis Mills:
• Whether there was formal adoption or not which he believes was done to the extent legally
necessary, the operating policy or standard has been "no inter-basin transfer."
• Nothing subjective about that level of definition.
• That has been our operating policy.
• The IGA is in effect and is a legal agreement.
• Asked Staff Robyn MacDonald if they wanted to modify verbiage after discussion and after a
second, assuming there was agreement, could this be a simple amendment to the motion or
would they have to deal with the motion at this point.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• You could make an amendment to it if yo u have an agreement to the amendment or you could
withdraw it and restate it.
• Reiterated and asked Mr. Mills if he wanted to amend what he just said.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Read from Roberts Rule s that a friendly amendment can only be made right after the motion
has been moved or seconded.
• Once the motion has been stated by the Chair it is no longer the maker's motion and the
movant can no longer accept the friendly amendment.
• Must be moved and accepted by the body .
• Said at this point, he had not restated the motion.
Transcribed verbatim
Curtis Mills:
• Stated he wanted to amend his motion.
• Wants to remove the word existing in front of policy and IGA.
• Wants to remove the word ordinance that suggests a level of legal formality that may or may
not exist in different people's minds.
• Softens the legal constraints.
Motion transcribed verbatim
Amended Motion and Second: Curtis Mills made a motion that the Chairman of the Milton
Planning Commission deliver the following request to the Milton City Council at the August 4, 2008
Work Session. The Milton Planning Commission requests that the City Council reaffirm the "No
Inter-Basin Transfer Sewer Policy." If any modificati ons are made to the IGA (Intergovernmental
Agreement), that those changes will be consistent with the policy and not allowed expansion of sewer
availability beyond that currently allowed by those policies.
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Cary Schlenke seconded the amended motion for discussion.
Commission reviewed the written motion.
Chair Paul Moore: Restated the motion.
Commission discussion about the IGA and Inter-Basin documents
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Did not have the IGA with her, but had the reference from the City Attorney talking about it
and the interrelation with the Service Delivery Strategy document.
• Read the City Attorney's reference regarding the IGA and SDS dated June 20, 2008.
• Trying to provide information to the Commission.
Cary Schlenke:
• May have been changes since the June 20th reference.
• Want to keep this high level and just send a message to City Council.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Believes this is important to the facts.
Cary Schlenke:
• Just want to send Council the Commission's thoughts to just follow what everyone understands
the existing policies to be.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Totally agrees regarding the Inter-Basin Transfer approved July 2006.
Cary Schlenke:
• Should we take the IGA reference out of our motion?
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Just want you to be informed.
• You can do what you wish.
Curtis Mills:
• Missed Staffs point completely.
• Moral high ground wording.
• Struggling to see what the problem is.
• Reread his motion.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Point is that part of their problem is the map.
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• Wants to make sure yo u understand the map was wrong even in 1999.
• When the new IGA was approved in 2005 before Milton was a city, the
Service Delivery Strategy had to be updated every 5 years or so.
• The Community Developm ent Department was usually involved in the process.
• The Inter-government Affairs Department at Fulton County said they would take care of it.
• They left the old map in.
• Do not want yo u to make a policy deci sion on an incorrect depiction of what a service area is.
• More trusting of the Inter-Basin Transfer because it deals with all of Highway 9.
Curtis Mills:
• Have a better understanding of where Staff is coming from.
• That is why we put ordinance in there.
• In his mind whatever the facts are then that is what they have to operate on.
• Ordinance should allow whatever is determined to be right to be covered unless and until it is
changed.
• Would like a legal interpretation as to whether we have one or we do not.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Thought this meeting would h elp City Council to frame their discussion for Monday night.
• They would have what was generall y accepted as the Commission's conditions for measuring
what they have and have not been doing regarding sewer in the city.
• To find a way to support a motion that would be helpful to the Mayor and City Council.
George Ragsdale:
• Maybe need to add to Curtis' motion.
• Ask City Council to articulate what the current policies and ordinances are that apply to this
area.
• Ask them to adhere to those until they are otherwise changed.
• Part of the problem is the confusion about what exists and if the Council and City Attorney
know what that is, we need it articulated so there is no misunderstanding.
Curtis Mills:
• Not confused at all.
• May be wrong, but not confused.
Discussion with Commission and Staff about different areas shown on map
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Orange line on map is the ridge lin e.
• Idea has traditionally been that the ridge line that follows Highway 9 divides the basins .
• The lighter blue depicts what Fulton County believes to be the division of the basin.
• Ordinance has been based on that.
• Council still struggling with the issue of the SDS and what the 1999 map means.
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Curtis Mills:
• Left the meeting briefly.
Transcribed verbatim
George Ragsdale:
• Wants to read something that he would be comfortable with to reword the motion.
• The Milton Planning Commission requests that the City Council affirm the No-Inter-Basin
Transfer Ordinance adopted by Fulton County July 19, 2006 (the Ordinance), and that the
IGA between Fulton County and Milton be modified as required to provide sewer service
consistent with that Ordinance, but not provide for sewer service beyond what is provided in
that Ordinance.
Cary Schlenke:
• Do not want there to be a misinterpretation of this that the IGA be changed to include the land
lots she is not comfortable with on the map.
• Would like to wait until Curtis returns to continue discussion.
Curtis Mills:
• Returned to the meeting.
George Ragsdale:
Transcribed verbatim
• Read his modified version to the proposed motion.
• The Milton Planning Commission requests that the City Council affirm the No-Inter-Basin
Transfer Ordinance adopted by Fulton County July 19, 2006 (the Ordinance), and that th e
IGA (Intergovernmental Agreement) betw ee n Fulton County and Milton be modified as
required to provide sewer service consistent with that Ordinance, but not provide for sewer
service beyond what is provided in that Ordinance.
• Avoids the issue of whether the city adopted it or not.
Curtis Mills:
• Asked George Ragsdale to reread the motion .
George Ragsdale:
Transcribed verbatim
• The Milton Planning Commission requ es ts that the City Council affirm the No-Inter-Basin
Transfer Ordinance adopted by Fulton County July 19, 2006 (th e Ordinance), and that th e
IGA (Intergovernmental Agreement) between Fulton County and Milton be modified as
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required to provide sewer service consistent with and only to the extent that is provided for in
that Ordinance.
Joe Creamer:
• Should probably cite the Ordinance section number.
Paul Moore:
• Have a motion on the floor that needs to be addressed.
Curtis Mills:
• The last part is active instead of passive.
• It assumes that it is evident that the IGA needs to be modified.
• It may need to be modified, but the way it is currently stated, it recommends that it be
modified.
• Did not understand what the basis for that should be.
Joe Creamer:
• As Robyn pointed out, the IGA references the service delivery and the maps are wrong.
• Do not want to adopt that, but want to say it should be modified.
Curtis Mills:
• Not knowledgeable enough to have a strong opinion as to whether the map is in fact right or
wrong.
• Reason for the choice of words in his motion.
• If modified with no suggestion that we think it is required or not.
• Then rest of the verbiage.
• Other issue was with the word affirm.
Commission discussion about different wording for the motion with Commission
comparing the two different suggestions of Curtis and George.
Curtis Mills:
Transcribed verbatim
• Read where he thought they were with the motion.
• The Milton Planning Commission req u ests that the City Council r eaffirm the "No Inter-Basin
Transfer Ordinance" adopted by Fulton County July 19. 2006 (the Ordinance). and that the
IGA between Fulton County and Milton, as modified if required, provide sewer service
consistent with and only to the ex tent provided for in th e Ordinance.
• The tweaks were reaffirm and the if required opposed to be modified as required.
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Chair Paul Moore:
• I think we need to withdraw this current motion and restate a new one.
After Lengthy Board Discussion at 8:17:52 pm:
Transcribed Verbatim
Curtis Mills:
• Okay, I know this is pretty unstructured here so I know we are sort of out of line, but it would
be more consistent with what I said which is irrelevant, but I think more along the lines of what
I was thinking.
• Maybe a little bit more clear to say, and that if the IGA is modified that it provide sewer
service consistent with but only to the extent...and that doesn't take a position of whether it
needs to b e, doesn't need to be ... does that make sense?
Commission discussion amongst themselves.
Transcribed verbatim
Curtis Mills:
• I assume that just replaced the verbiage that h ad the same start.
Chair Paul Moore:
• I would also add one more suggestion to that Curtis.
• Your original motion said that the Chairman of the Planning Commission verbally deliver ... but
I would also add and in writing deliver.
Curtis Mills:
• Okay, verbal and in writing. I just thought they ought to hear it.
Chair Paul Moore:
• I just think it ought to be both that way they can go back and reference it.
Curtis Mills:
• Okay, that is valid. We have to deal with the motion on the floor now.
Chair Paul Moore:
• So Curtis on this one you are striking and that the? I have to restate it.
Curtis Mills:
• Okay, then you can read it, but I know Joe and I have been twisting a couple of words ove r
here.
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Chair Paul Moore:
• So you want to strike the word the in front of the word if.
• Okay, I am going to suggest that we take action on the current motion on the floor that is
required before we can take action on what appears to be a group effort to bring forward a
second suggestion.
Curtis Mills:
• Can we withdraw the motion at this point?
Chair Paul Moore:
• Okay, let's do that.
Curtis Mills:
• That would be my preference, but I thought after it had been stated and discussion had begun.
Chair Paul Moore:
• This would allow us to unanimously agree to a withdrawal.
Curtis Mills:
• Okay, I withdraw my motion.
• The second has to be withdrawn as well.
Chair Paul Moore:
• We have to make a motion for a unanimous agreement to allow the withdrawal and it has to
be unanimous.
Curtis Mills:
• Fair enough.
Motion transcribed verbatim
Motion and Second: Curtis Mills made a motion to withdraw his motion. Seconded by Cary
Schlenke.
There was no discussion. Vote: 7-0. Motion unanimously carried and the motion was withdrawn.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Okay, at this point the Chair would like to entertain another motion.
Curtis Mills:
• Do you want this to be my motion or would you like to make it (Chair or George?)
• I will be happy to do that.
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Cary Schlenke:
• How about I do it?
Curtis Mills:
• Okay, Cary then you do it.
Cary Schlenke:
• No, I was just kidding.
Curtis Mills:
• I will make a motion.
Motion transcribed verbatim
Motion and Second: Curtis Mills made a motion that the Chairman of the Milton Planning
Commission deliver the following request both verbally and in written form to the Milton City Council
at the August 4, 2008 Work Session:
The Milton Planning Commission requests that the Milton City Council reaffirm the "No Inter-Basin
Transfer Ordinance" adopted by Fulton County July 19. 2006 (the "Ordinance"). and that if the IGA
(Inter-Governmental Agreement) between Fulton County and Milton is modified. that it provide
sewer service cons istent with. but only to. the exte nt provided for in the Ordinance.
The motion was seconded by Joe Creamer.
There was no discussion.
Chair Paul Moore: Restated the motion:
Motion transcribed verbatim
The Chairman of the Milton Planning Commission verbally and in writing, deliver the following
request to the Milton City Council at the August 4, 2008 Work Session:
The Milton Planning Commission requests that the Milton City Council reaffirm the ''No Inter-Basin
Transfer Ordinance" adopted by Fulton County July 19. 2006 (the "Ordinance"). and that if the IGA
(Inter-Governmental Agreement) between Fulton County and Milton is modified. that it provide
sewer service consistent with. but only to the extent provided for in the Ordinance.
Vote: 7-0. The motion unanimously carried.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Thanked the Board for their work this evening.
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• Appreciated their hard work so they could come to a unanimous recommendation this
evening, recognizing that there still were some questions out there that closure needs to be
drawn to by the Mayor and City Council.
• Thought this was a terrific example of the kind of work that can be done, knowing that they in
spirit endorse the policies that have been interpreted and applied to date for the City.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Called for a motion to adjourn.
George Ragsdale:
• Had a comment before they adjourn.
• He felt this meeting was premature.
• The meeting that they are trying to address on Monday at the time they called this meeting had
not even been posted.
• More importantly, he personally thought what they just went through, although of value, is
outside of the scope of what they should be doing.
• They do not have the latitude -not saying that they shouldn't, but in his opinion, under their
by-laws, they do not have the latitude to be able to do what they just did.
• If they are requested to do it, requested to comment, that is different, but this is not a zoning
ordinance and he said he thought Cary had a different opinion, but in all fairness it was based
on a difference in the bylaws.
• If you read the bylaws that are in place, he did not feel that this issue was within their purview
tonight to look at.
• The outcome to him would be that maybe the Commission needs to think about modifying the
bylaws if this is the kind of thing they think they should do.
• He wo uld like to get a legal opinion about whether it is appropriate for the Planning
Commission to be doing what the Commission did tonight under the current bylaws.
Cary Schlenke:
• Thought it was Monday that it was advertised on the agenda of City Council.
• She has seen things come and go off of the calendar.
• When she first looked at it said Special Called Meeting at 4:00 and it had the agenda and then
it was gone and went to a Work Session. Asked Fred if that is what he saw too.
Fred Edwards:
• Responded in the affirmative.
Cary Schlenke:
• In her mind when she saw it and became concerned Monday night when they talked about it at
CPAC meeting.
• Was concerned then and realized that the CP AC would not be able to address them until the
nth.
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• When Curtis had the idea to do this, she said she was all for it because she thought things were
moving too fast on this and she felt that as the Planning Commission more planning needed to
be done than what was being done.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Wanted to clarify because it is a work session, there is no public hearing, no public comment,
so she wanted to make the Commission aware of that.
Curtis Mills:
• Questioned whether there was public comment at work sessions.
Cary Schlenke:
• Thought they ruled that public comment was allowed early on.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Unless somebody requests you to come up to talk.
Curtis Mills:
• We really could not even make a verbal comment then, can we?
Fred Edwards:
• Unless they have passed something different, public may comment at the work sessions.
• Back during the ethics problem, there was public comment at a work session, and he believed
at one other time as well.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Said she wanted to double check on that.
Curtis Mills:
• Before we get too far down the rabbit hole, he wanted to address this issue.
• When he first thought of this and he did not want to over-dignify how much intelligence went
into it because it was a fairly quick idea, and he frankly thought it would take 30 days to
schedule a special meeting.
• Thought the whole thing was moot, so he called Robyn.
• He was thinking about the meeting on August 11th, as he is in New York next week and gone,
so he did not know what was going to happen at the special meeting, or work session or
whatever.
• Then the meeting on the 4th was sch edul ed, but it was not clear what it was and not until this
afternoon when he finally put some words to paper.
• It was sort of an evolutionary thing, but it only happened over a two-day period.
• In terms of whether this motion is in the Planning Commission's purview, he said he would
take the full blame if somehow or another it is wrong or if they are admonished.
• Hard to believe that it would be somehow illegal or inappropriate.
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George Ragsdale:
• He did not mean it in that sense.
Curtis Mills:
• Knows that, but felt it was hard to believe it would be wrong.
• Maybe it would not be expected, but he thought it seemed to him it would be valuable input.
Paul Moore:
• Hoped that City Council would give the Planning Commission the courtesy to be heard as the
Planning Commission to offer them some support to move forward with the policy.
Fred Edwards:
• Stated to George's point, if it is not right, but maybe it should be right that the Commission
have the right to do it.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Usually when there is a public comment it is on the agenda and there is no public comment on
it.
• Wanted to double check it so they would be prepared.
George Ragsdale:
• Thought they were mixing two things.
• Do not think there is public comment but thought the City Council has the right and will ask
for public input if they want it in response to a specific question from the people who are there.
• Do not believe there is an open comment period.
Cary Schlenke:
• Thought they would have to complete a public comment card.
Commission discussion about public comment.
Paul Moore:
• He intends to only deli ver the message that they all agreed to.
• That would be the entire extent of his comment.
Curtis Mills:
• Thought if they really wanted to probe , they should probably asking que stions of CPAC instead
of the Planning Commis sion.
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Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Advised the work session would start at 4:00 p.m.
• Council has invited Public Works of Fulton County.
• Commissioner Lynne Riley will be in attendance.
• Public is invited to speak.
• Intention is to have a dialog with them.
Chair Paul Moore:
• Asked Robyn to provide the text that they di scussed this evening.
Staff Robyn MacDonald:
• Could insert the official part of the Inter-Basin Transfer and that would be no problem.
• Would make a copy for the members.
ADJOURNMENT
Chair Paul Moore:
• Called for a motion to adjourn
Motion transcribed verbatim
Motion and Second: Fred Edwards made a motion to adjourn. Seconded by Jennifer Fletcher.
There was no additional discussion. Vote: 7-0. Motion unanimously carried.
After no further business, the Special Called Work Session adjourned at 8:35 PM.
Dated Approved:~8:_,_/4;~~_1_,_/4~~--~ 7
--~r esca Ivie Paul Moore, Chairman
Planning Commission City Clerk's Office
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