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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes - DRB - 11-06-2007MINUTES City of Milton Design Review Board Regular Meeting November 6, 2007, 6:oo PM This summary is provided as a convenience and service to the public, media, and staff It is not the intent to transcribe proceedings verbatim. Any reproduction of this summary must include this notice. Public comments are noted and heard by the Design Review Board, but not quoted. This document includes limited presentation by the Design Review Board and invited speakers in summary form. This is an official record of the Milton City Design Review Board procee dings. Official Meetings are audio recorded. Commission Members Present: Terry Herr, Alex Paulson, Buck Bell Kathi Cook, Eddie Moore, Michael Stevens Not Present: Thorton Kirkland City Staff: Tom Wilson, Community De ve lopment Michael Tuller, Community Development Angela Rambeau, Community Development Mark Law , City Arborist CALL TO ORDER CHAIR BUCK BELL • Called meeting to order. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE MEETING AGENDA: 1) Pledge of Allegiance 2) Approval of October meeting minutes 3) Demo permit, Christopher Morton 4) Temporary buildings, Walter Dean s) Courtesy review--Kohl's, Brian Snelling 6) Centennial Village, David McLaughlin 7) Navy Federal Credit Union, Chris Hill 8) Courtesy review--RZ07-011, John McMillan 9) Courtesy review--RZ07-018/Uo 7-009/VC07-010, Ken Morton 10) Courtesy review--RZ07-019/VC07-011, Wendy Butler 11) Courtesy review--Uo7-006/VC0 7-013, Jeffrey Scott Versteegh 12) Courtesy review--Uo7-007/VC07-012, Jennifer Arnold 13) Other business 14) Adjournment Page 1 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 2 of16 CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Called the first item of business, Approval of the October 2, 2007 meeting minutes. MOTION AND SECOND: Kathi Cook made a motion to approve the October 2007 meeting minutes. Eddie Moore seconded the motion. VOTE: (6-o). Motion passed unanimously. CHAIR BUCK BELL called the first case , Demo Permit, Christian Morton. CHRISTIAN MORTON (Applicant), 3110 W. Addison Drive, Alpharetta, GA. • Requesting demolition permit for property owned in Milton. • Location 14635 Glen Creek Way, Milton, GA. • House and garage to be demolished. • Provided photos for Board. TOM HARRISON (for Applicant), 535 oak Alle y Way , Johns Creek, GA • Older house infested with beetles. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Will rebuild where house is being taken down? • Any trees affected? TOM HARRISON: • Will be rebuilding. • Site plan has been turned in. • Existing trees protected by tree ordinance. • Large oak will be saved. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. KATHI COOK: • Made a motion. MOTION AND SECOND: Kathi Cook moved to approve the demo permit by Christian Morton to demolish the home and 3 car garage located at 14635 Glen Creek Way, Milton, Georgia, with the condition that specimen trees shall be protected in accordance with the tree ordinance. Seconded by Alex Paulson. VOTE: 6-o. Motion passed unanimously. Page 2 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 3 of16 CHAIR BUCK BELL called the next agenda item , Temporary Buildings , Walter Dean. CHAIR BUCK BELL: NO SHOW. CASE DEFERRED. STAFF TOM WILSON: • Requesting Staff Angela Rambeau gi ve brief description of request to Board. STAFF ANGELA RAMBEAU: • Mr. Dean with local Bo y Scout Troop. • Two trailers donated to Boy Scout Troop. • Trailers placed in back of the Birmingham United Methodist Church property. • There were previous buildings there and thos e were removed. • Applied for administrative permits for the temporary buildings. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Would like to see site plan. • Discussion how long on property -temporary versus permanent. STAFF TOM WILSON: • Temporary structures have 3-year time period. TERRYHERR: • Question about painting and landscaping . ALEX PAULSON: • Could not set precedence for bringing trailer into community. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Choice of colors for trailers has to be looked at. MOTION AND SECOND: Kathi Cook mo ved to defer the temporary building of Walter Dean until additional information is provided to the Board. Seconded by Eddie Moore. VOTE: 6-o. Motion passed unanimously. CHAIR BUCK BELL announced the Courtesy Reviews. 1ST COURTESY REVIEW, Kohl's Store, Brian Snelling, Tom Smith and Adam Cau sey. TERRYHERR: • Recused himself from this case. Pa ge 3 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 4 of16 TOM SMITH, WD Partners, 228 E. Robinson Street, Orlando, FL (for Kohl's case): • Presentation from site board. • Trying to stay in Kohl's perimeters and what acceptable to city. • Discussion about changes from last presentation. • Would not be speaking to site plan. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Reiterated long discussion last meeting about positioning of Kohl's building. • Discussion about provision in Highway 9 Overlay. • No building shall end abruptly on a corner. • Elevations of building. TOM SMITH: • Adding architecture features to the back. • Try to meet provisions of overlay district and cost perimeters of Kohl's . • Referenced area on s ite board. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Discussion about consideration for loading dock area. TOM SMITH: • Screen walls put in. • Cannot impede flo w of trucks. • Referenced flow of traffic area from site board. BRIAN SNELLING, (for Kohl's case), 1450 South Johnson Ferry Road, Atlanta, GA: • Previously had gas station on site plan. • Planning Commission meeting held on October 23rd. • Have dropped gas station as potential use for site. • Use for potential bank, restaurant or future retail site. • Kohl's has a screen wall completely co vering truck area. • Cannot see trucks from road. • 11/2 acres on end currently zoned for apartments. • Have rolled that into this zoning. • Intent is to have a 20 ft. landscape strip along Deerfield Parkway . BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT SCREENING. Page 4 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 5 of16 BRIAN SNELLING: • Depends on tenant interest. • Trying to market as an out parcel. • Prefer single tenant user like bank or restaurant. • Do not want to put a multi-tenant building on those 11/2 acres. ALEX PAULSON: • Comment about chain link fence in back. • Perhaps use something other than chain link fence. TOM SMITH: • Kohl's would probably agree to something other than chain link fen ce . CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Asked how size of Kohl's building compared with Frye's building. • Height of building? BRIAN SNELLING: • Frye's 150,000 square feet. • Kohl's is 87,000 square feet. • Height is 28-30 feet. • Matches Phase I with Target. TOM SMITH: • Rear elevation goes up to 30 ft. 8 in . • To completely screen the many a/ c units on roof. BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT SCALING AND ELEVATIONS. ALEX PAULSON: • Bring scale along Highway 9 down some. • Break it up. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Prefer more brick and less efface . • Trying to stop building big stucco type building along Highway 9. • All buildings are supposed to front Highway 9. • This building faces an internal parking lot and not a road. • Carry some of the same architectural design along Highway 9. • Perhaps mimic entire front facade on side facade. • Mar ry other buildings and create buffers . • Want to avoid the "Frye" type buildings. Page 5 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 6 of16 MICHAEL STEVENS: • Same concerns about type of building. • Building so close to Highway 9. • Closer in matter of years when road widens. • Currently no connection between the corner parcel and rest of development. BRIAN SNELLING: • Curb line will be the eastern most curve line. • Everything else will widen other way. • Working with GDOT and staff. • Curb line and sidewalk will remain when road widens. • 20 ft. landscape strip along entire frontage. • Ordinance allows for 20 ft. landscape to be centered. • 10 ft. has to private and 10 ft. can be in right-of-way. • Landscape strip is now completely on private property and will remain. MICHAEL STEVENS: • Asked about driveways . BRIAN SNELLING: • Driveway directly in front of Kohl's off of Highway 9 . • Topography reasons. • Only other entrance to parcel is off of Deerfield Parkway. • First 20 ft. off highway will be landscape strip. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Would like more brick added and other architectural elements. • Bring closer to rest of development. • Critical on Highway 9 side to gi ve more of formal presentation. • Perhaps put Kohl's sign on that part of building. • Mirror front elevation. • Trying to marry Kohl's desires and wishes with that of community for Highway 9 area. MICHAEL STEVENS: • Is there an ordinance that allows for Kohl's sign on building? STAFF TOM WILSON: • Two signs are allowed. • 100 sq. feet. Page 6 of16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 7of16 KATHI COOK: • Adding arbors to break up building. • Planting a vine that would grow on arbor. • Best Buy on North Point Parkway did this. • Softens building and gi ves another dimension. • Parapets on Highway 9 . MICHAEL STEVENS: • Difficult from 2 dimensional drawing to see how it will look. • Will be screening this. • Can lower them. DISCUSSION ABOUT PARAPETS AND SCREENING. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Balance all lines of sites. • Want more of a contiguous look. MICHAEL STEVENS: • Use as much landscaping as possible. KATHI COOK: • More green space in front of building . BRIAN SNELLING: • Do not have a final landscape plan yet. • Will have trees in additional to landscaping. • Side walk coming down Deerfield. • Will continue sidewalk around. • Sidewalk will come into the site down driveway. • Sidewalk has to be in right-of-way. • Have extra wide sidewalks, patio areas , planters and benches. • Referenced areas from site map . BRIAN SNELLING: • Have about a million dollars in landscaping . • Topography has to be considered. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Trying to humanize the building some. • Something more welcoming to the eye. • Publix on Haynes Bridge is good example. Page 7 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 8 of16 ADAM CAUSEY, WD Partners, 917 Arbor Way, McDonough, GA (for Kohl's case): • Kohl's also has outside benches and seating area. • Hardscape plan for tree plantings and landscaping. • Question about central elements being too big. • Worried about getting same comments. ALEX PAULSON: • Need to humanize the left elevation. • Bring it down in scale. • Add an arbor or something. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Signage if done nicely presents well on building. • Want to break down run of efface and block along Highway 9. • Overlay is very clear about frontage of property. • Need to mitigate this matter. KATHI COOK: • Suggested working with City Arborist. TOM SMITH: • Cannot see what side of building is going to look like without it. • Will bring back plan showing landscaping at final submittal. KATHI COOK: • Need to get a copy of the overlay guidelines for specific required fe atures. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Review Highway 9 Overlay. • 12G-4 -Building Materials and Architectural Treatments. 2ND COURTESY REVIEW, Centennial Village , David McLaughlin. DAVID McLAUGHLIN, 380 Saddlehorn Circle , Roswell, GA: • Had serious negotiations with Fulton County during rezoning process for Highway 9 development. • Negotiated with neighboring neighborhoods. • Some would not engage with us or come to the meetings. • Now being asked to spruce up our buildings along Highway 9 on the facades by some neighbors and Council. • Have volunteered to do so and asking for DRB advice. • Buildings are on Highway 9 across from Sembler development. • Showed photos of buildings . Page 8 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 9 of16 CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Concern is primarily for side that faces Highway 9. DAVID McIAUGHLIN • Comments were made about backsides too. • Some wanted brick across the back. • Went through this wi th Highway 9 group. • Did not want an institutional look. • We put hardy plank on backside. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Discuss the backside first. • Perhaps break them up using different colors. • Muted colors . • Alternate colors . • Bring some type of awnings over entire window and door areas . • A void ro w home look. DAVID McIAUGHLIN: • Homes facing Highway 9 have already been completed. • Projects to the south of us all have hardy plank like we do . • We have shutters on the back as well. TERRYHERR: • Community upset primarily about those already built facing Hwy . 9 . • Need to talk about perhaps modifying what is on Hwy . 9. • Perhaps use some brick on the rear. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Agreement will have to be modified to make acceptable changes. • Community is asking for change. • Commended applicant for coming voluntarily to better project and be a good neighbor . 3RD COURTESY REVIEW, Navy Federal Credit Union, Dave Morgan, 1000 Abernathy Road , Atlanta, GA. • Construct a new branch Navy Federal Credit Union at corner of Windward Parkway & Highway 9. • Bringing back revised site plan. • Came before DRB last month. • Incorporated Board's comments. • Want to submit for permit and get underway. • Architect present to discuss and answer questions. Page 9 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 10 of16 BOARD REVIEWED REVISED SITE PLANS. CHAD POULTNEY, ARCHITECT, 843 Yorktowne Road, Pequson, VA. • Took Board's suggestions and incorporated the red brick styling. • Examined the buildings in the Highway 9 area. • Used complimentary accent colors. • Designed iconic front entrance. • Used windows that let natural light in. • Site sits in a low area. • Parapet elements screen roof products from roadway. • Used more historic light fixtures around building. • All sides of building are aesthetically pleasing . KATHI COOK: • Why not repeat front feature on rear and continue roof? CHAD POULTNEY: • Want to be clear about main entrance. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Roof stops abruptly. • Put another gable in on back end and continue straight through. • Would help back elevation. DISCUSSION WITH BOARD AND APPLICANT FROM SITE PLAN ABOUT ROOF AND ELEVATIONS. KATHI COOK: • Better visual from Highway 9. • Do not like colors of metal. • Prefer neutral colors . CHAD POULTNEY: • Blues are one of Navy Federal's prototypes . • Showed Board sample colors from color board. TERRYHERR: • Type of entrance canopies over doors. • Plan does not show canopies. CHAD POULTNEY: • Gable ended. • Brick columns. Pag e 10 of16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 11of16 BOARD DISCUSSION WITH APPLICANT ABOUT WINDOWS. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Roof color. • Table 12G1.19 says roof colors shall be black, gray, dark gray, brown red or green. • Change few things: windows, roofline, roof color perhaps charcoal gray. • Great looking building. • Make changes. • Give to staff when apply for building permit. • Come back to Design Review Board for formal review. KATHI COOK: • Add the elevation breaks on other side. TERRYHERR: • Review by Deerfield Design Revie w Board? DAVE MORGAN: • Deerfield Design Revie w Board. MARK LAW ( City Arborist): • Will be looking at parking spaces . • Average bank parking spaces in area is 35. • Project is showing 74. • Over required spaces need to be pervious material. • Like to see more green space than parking. LOUIS DUNN, Navy Federal Credit Union, 810 Follin Lane, Vienna, VA: • Addressed parking issue. • Member institution. • Credit union, not a bank. • Full financial institution. • Different use pattern than normal bank. • Members come into bank to do business face-to-face. • Do not have a problem with pervious . BOARD DISCUSSION OF BOUNDARIES OF OVERLAY. KATHI COOK: • Would like more green space and trees. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Requested applicant get with city arborist about parking spaces. Page 11 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 12 of16 4TH COURTESY REVIEW, RZ07-011, John McMillan NO SHOW. CASE DEFERRED. 5TH COURTESY REVIEW, RZ07-018, Ken Morton. NO SHOW. CASE DEFERRED. 6TH COURTESY REVIEW, RZ07-019, Attorney Shannon Sams. SHANNON SAMS, 11330 Lakefield Drive, Johns Creek, GA: • Project for office park on 3.04 acres. • Located off of Deerfield Drive. • Zoned O&I. • Acro ss street from Verizon Corporate Headquarters. • 3-story office building with park and a lake. • All paving except underground parking will be pervious concrete. • 93% pervious . JOHN OLIVER, RZ07-018, 2730 Stonehill Way, Cumming, GA: • Working with developer since 1995 on project. • Park at one time was supposed to be a pocket park. • Variance and hardship is due to shape of property. • Buffers have changed. • Mitigating creek. • Reason for underground parking. • Trying to save as many trees as possible. • Parking level 15 feet . CHAIR BUCK BELL: • 3 story building. • Maximum height 70 feet. • Opportunity to build a wooded campus type project. • Put pathways in that allow grass to come through. • Play off the woods . • Save all the hardwood trees. • Have free form parking instead of geometric. • Work around the trees. • Communicate with City Arborist for his suggestions. • Perhaps could include as part of our conditions. • Get away from typical engineered solution. • Use pervious surfaces. • May not need curbs . P age 12 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 13 of16 • Stay as natural as possible. • Something more modern looking. TERRYHERR: • Project in 197o's in Peachtree Corners area. • 3-sto ry building with unique architecture. • All parking meandered along through all the trees. • Building sits on stilts. • Was put in an environmentally sensitive area. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Going after a lot of variances. • Talk opportunity to create a natural environment. • Use a lot of trees . • Water friendly area. • Build something very unique to area. JOHN OLIVER: • Big design issue • Making possible for fire trucks to get in and out. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Do what is necessary for safety and life code s. • Soften the design • Perhaps swales instead of curbs and gutters . • Rock barriers or walls . • Blending two types of thought. • Make organic looking like Japanese gardens . KATHI COOK: • Talking about an acre and a half to build on this property. • Density is 15 ,000 square feet per acre. • 15,000 little high for this type of parcel. • Standard is about 10 ,000-12,000 square feet . BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT LAYOUT OF PROPERTY FROM SITE MAP. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Thanked applicants. • Called next courtesy review. Page 13 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 14 of16 COURTESY REVIEW, RZ07-006, Jeffrey Scott VerSteegh . MICHAEL L. CRIFASI, 270 Bruton Way, Atlanta, GA: • Owner of property. • Retirement property. • Purchased several years ago. • Jeff is son-in-law. • Daughter and son-in-law's house backs up to property. • Wanted to build a garage to store building materials for house-building. • Place for Jeff to park his landscape trucks. • Built under Fulton County's rules. • Did not know would be problem. • Got permits and built ev erything. • Milton inspector said cannot run landscape business off property. • Not a business, just parking trucks there. • Was told no problem since property is zoned AG-1. • Originally 25 ft. buffer. • Garage set back 50 ft. instead of 25 ft. • Milton says 75 ft. buffer. • Drive-thru garage. • No place for buffer on left side of garage. • Plans to plant trees on 6 ft. cut on far left side of property for screening. • Large s pecimen tree on right side that we had to protect. • Have provided adequate screening. • Here to request special use permit. • Have to reapply for house permit as time has expired. JEFFREY SCOTT VERSTEEGH, 785 Stratford Drive, Milton, GA: • Been in landscape business since 1991. • Two crews and do not plan to getting any larger. CHAIR BUCK BELL: • Do not have enough information. • Need photographs of the property. • Show where things are located. • Design Review Board's review to help mitigate visual interruption to existing building. • Review landscaping, driveway and screening. Page 14 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 15 of16 EDDIE MOORE: • Unclear as to what help applicant seeking from this Board. • What do you feel we should address . • Need to meet with staff to see what they want you to do . • We can help make building more suitable to community. JEFFREY SCOTT VERSTEEGH: • Recei ved a citation about parking landscape trucks on property. BUCK BELL: • Fulton County gave permit to build. • Grandfathered in. • Perhaps you are violating buffers. • Permits appear to be obtained properly. • Should have had a special use permit to have business trucks on AG-1 property. MICHAEL L. CRIFASI: • Advised Fulton County trucks would be parked on property. • Not running business from property. • Cannot mitigate because building already there. • Driveway is already there. EDDIE MOORE: • This Board would not be the ones to address that issue. • Would need a special use permit. • Need to go through process with Milton Staff. • We can help with anything architecturally. BUCK BELL: • Suggested going back to Staff to determine what problem is. • Need to get legal permission for landscape business. • We could only discuss landscaping and buffers . • Work with City Arborist. • We can give advice about colors , etc. • Be prepared when you go before City Council. • Our recommendation would be to show you have been proactive . MARKLAW: • Screening issue because of cut. • Not much room to do anything with existing vegetation there. Page 15 of 16 Design Review Board November 6, 2007 Page 16 of16 BUCK BELL: • Perhaps plant some type of vine that would give green shape. • Provide additional screening. • This would be the Board's recommendation. • Called last agenda item, Courtesy Revie w Uo7-007, Jennifer Arnold. NO SHOW. CASE DEFERRED. BUCK BELL: • Called for a motion to adjourn meeting. NEW OR OLD BUSINESS: There was no new or old business to discuss. ADJOURNMENT KATHI COOK: • Made a motion. MOTION AND SECOND: moved to adjourn meeting. Seconded b y Ale x Paulson. VOTE: 6-o. Motion to adjourn unanimously passed. Design Review Board adjourned at 9:00 PM. ancesca I vie Ci ty Clerk's office Buck ell , Chairman Design Review Board Page 16 of 16