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Home My WebLink AboutMinutes - CC - 11/16/2020Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 1 of 63 1 CALL TO ORDER Mayor Lockwood: Good evening. I would like to call the regular meeting of the Milton City Council for Monday, November 16th, 2020, to order. The city strongly recommends that you review tonight’s agenda carefully. And if you wish to speak on any item on the agenda, then please bring your comment cards to the clerk as soon as possible. While the Milton rules allow a speaker to turn in their comment cards up until the clerk calls that agenda item, once the agenda item is called, no more comment cards will be accepted. If our clerk could please call the role and make general announcements. Tammy: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I’ll be happy to call roll for the November 16th, 2020, regular meeting. I would like to remind those in attendance to please silence all cellphones at this time. Those attending the meeting who would like to make a public comment you are required to complete a public comment card prior to speaking on the item. Your comment card must be presented to the city clerk prior to the agenda item being called. All speakers please identify yourself by name, address, and organization before beginning your comment. If you are representing an organization, an affidavit is required stating you have the authority to speak on behalf of that organization. Please review tonight’s agenda. And if you would like to make a comment, please bring your comment card to me now. Demonstration of any sort within the chamber is prohibited. Please refrain from any applause, cheering, booing, outburst, or dialog with any person speaking. Anyone in violation will be asked to leave. As I call roll this evening, please confirm your attendance. Mayor Joe Lockwood? Mayor Lockwood: Here. Tammy: Councilmember Peyton Jamison? Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 2 of 63 2 CM Jamison: Here. Tammy: Councilmember Laura Bentley? CM Bentley: Here. Tammy: Councilmember Carol Cookerly? CM Cookerly: Here. Tammy: Councilmember Paul Moore? CM Moore: Here. Tammy: Councilmember Joe Longoria? CM Longoria: Here. Tammy: And joining us via Zoom, Councilmember Rick Mohrig. CM Mohrig: Here. Councilmembers Present: Mayor Joe Lockwood, Councilmember Peyton Jamison, Councilmember Laura Bentley, Councilmember Carol Cookery, Councilmember Joe Longoria and Councilmember Rick Mohrig. Councilmembers Calling In via Zoom: Councilmember Rick Mohrig. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE (Led by Mayor Joe Lockwood) Tammy: Would everyone please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance? All: I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Mayor Lockwood: Good evening. And we welcome you here to City Hall. Tammy, will you please sound the next item? APPROVAL OF AGENDA Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 3 of 63 3 Tammy: The next item is approval of meeting agenda – agenda item No. 20-312. Mayor Lockwood: I would like to make a couple of amendments to the agenda on agenda items No. 20-325 through 20-328. If we could remove that new business and put on first presentation because that should be an ordinance instead of a resolution and change the text in agenda item No. 20-325 through 20-328 whereas it reads “associate judge” to “standby judge.” Is there anything else on the agenda staff or council has to change? If not, I’ll open up for a motion. CM Bentley: So moved as amended. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion. CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a second. I have a motion from Councilmember Bentley, a second from Councilmember Moore. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous. Do we have any general public comment? Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to approve the meeting agenda with the following changes: on agenda items No. 20-325 through 20-328, remove from new business and move to first presentation because that should be an ordinance instead of a resolution and change the text in agenda item No. 20 -325 through 20-328 whereas it reads “associate judge” to “standby judge.” Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 4 of 63 4 PUBLIC COMMENT (None) Tammy: No general public comments at this time. CONSENT AGENDA Mayor Lockwood: All right. I’ll move on to the consent agenda. So, if our clerk will please sound the consent agenda items. Tammy: The first item is approval of the October 5th, 2020, regular city council meeting minutes – agenda item No, 20-313. The second item is approval of a professional services agreement between the City of Milton and S&ME, Inc, for geotechnical services on the Hamby Road Bridge located at 14327 Hamby Road – agenda item No. 20-314. Our third item is approval of the audit engagement letter with Mauldin & Jenkins, LLC, to audit the city’s financial statements for the fiscal year ending September 30th, 2020 – agenda item No. 20-315. Our fourth item is approval of a professional services agreement between the City of Milton and Ed Castro Landscape for the provision of landscaping services at the city’s fire stations and the public safety complex – agenda item No. 20-316. Our fifth item is approval of an amendment between the City of Milton and the Department of Natural Resources to extend the completion date of the Providence Park Trail Agreement to December 2021 – agenda item No. 20-317. Our next item is approval of an amendment between the City of Milton and the Department of Natural Resources to extend the completion date of the Providence Park Restroom Agreement to September the 30th, 2021 – agenda item No. 20-318. Our seventh item is approval of an agreement between the City of Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 5 of 63 5 Milton and NCR Payment Solutions, LLC, for electronic payment processing services that integrates with JustFOIA and CivicRec – agenda item No. 20-319. Our next item – approval of subdivisions, plats, and revisions. Our first development is Chris Gray, land lot 743 in District 2, Section 2, the northeast corner of Redd Road and Freemanville Road. It’s a minor plat. It’s subdivided into three tracts at 5.759 acres at 0.52 lots density/acre. Our second development is Dennis Gilreath, land lot 184 and 185, District 2, Section 2, 16660 Phillips Road. It’s a minor plat. It’s subdivided into two tracts. Total acres is 4.60 with a density of 0.434 lots per acre. Our third and final development is Thompson Manor, land lot 538, District 2, Section 2 at the northeast corner of Little Stone Way and Thompson Road. It’s a minor plat subdivided into three tracts. Total acres is 5.677 and the density is 0.528 lots per acre – agenda item No. 20-321. Mayor Lockwood: I’ll open up for a motion and a second on the consent agenda. CM Longoria: Mayor, I move that we approve the consent items as read. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion. Do I have a second? CM Cookerly: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion from Councilmember Longoria with a second from Councilmember Cookerly. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 6 of 63 6 Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous. We’ll move on to our reports and presentations. Tammy, if you’ll please sound the first item. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Longoria moved to approve the Consent Agenda. Councilmember Cookerly seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS 1. Update on Local Stormwater Issues. (Robert Drewry, Public Works Director) Tammy: That item is the update on local stormwater issues – Public Works Director, Mr. Robert Drewry. Robert D: Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council. Every year, we have to – well, let me back up. I’ve jumped ahead of myself already. We have a stormwater permit, as you know, through the State of Georgia. And in that stormwater permit is a stormwater management plan. Like any other municipality who’s bound by the permit, one of the tasks they call “best management practice” in the plan is to provide a presentation to the local government officials on stormwater issues. We do this every year. We’re required to do it every year. If you recall, we did it about this time last year. The city engineer gave an excellent presentation on stormwater issues. And I’m gonna turn it back over to City Engineer, Mr. Ken Kagy, in a minute. But I do want to tell you up front, this is kinda taking it to the next level. I know you all learned a lot from last year, and you picked up a lot of information. And I think you will this year as well, but this is a little bit more technical. I’ve asked Ken to kinda back down a little bit. Don’t get too technical because he can if you let him. But it is a little bit more technical than it was last year, but it does provide you with a little bit more information. It does give you some insight in order to make decisions as community policy for stormwater. So, I’m gonna turn it over to Mr. Ken Kagy, City Engineer, and let him go from there. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 7 of 63 7 Ken: Thank you, Robert. Mayor, Council, good evening. Thank you for inviting me back again this year. So, I’m gonna make this, as Robert says, sweet and simple. So, we’re gonna keep it sweet and simple. Mayor Lockwood: I think the term he’s looking for – dumb it down a little. Ken: Well, we’ll start walking through this. So, Milton rainfall assessment from 2020 observations – this is Milton City Hall’s 2020 rainfall data that we’ve collected. Actually, we’ve got two months of data. This is actually the first nine months of this year. So, you can see for January and March, we had 29.1 inches of rain. For April and June, we had 15.7. And from July to September, we had 18.9 inches of rain. The total for the year right now stands at 72.9. The average rain in this area is about 50 inches. So, what does that mean? That means you guys got a lot of rain this year. That’s what that means. So, that’s quite an increase. And there were some big rain events. And we’re gonna walk through and try to explain what this really does mean. First, I’m gonna start out with some famous quotes about rain. We’ll kinda ease into rain here. Some of you’ve heard these. Red sky at night, shepherd’s delight. Red sky at night, sailor’s delight. Gospel of Mathew that came from. And that saying is supported by science. When a high-pressure front moves in from the west and drives out the air moisture, the sky will appear red from the shift in the light spectrum – the change between the different densities – and that’s what causes it. So, that’s an old saying. We got another saying here that Milton Public Works kinda adopted – I’m like the rain; I go where I’m needed. And Henry Wadsworth Longfellow – the best thing one can do when it’s raining is let it rain. And one of my favorites is Dolly Parton. And what she says is, “The way I see it. If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.” And I think she’s right. So, here’s the basic fundamentals of rain. Rain’s basically formed by water vapor in the atmosphere, and it stays there until it gets heavy enough. And, usually, it gets heavy when it turns to ice or snow because most rain starts out as ice or snow in the raincloud. And the actual raindrop shape is not a teardrop. If you see that over there on the side, it actually forms a parachute as it’s coming down Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 8 of 63 8 through the atmosphere. So, those are some basic facts about rain. So, here’s where we get into our rain data. And engineers and hydrologists use the term – what we call “a two-year storm event, a five-year storm event, a 50-year storm event, and 100-year storm event.” And what they’re talking about when they use that term is an annual exceedance probability. And I talk to many people, citizens. I’ve even talked to other engineers and other designers out there. That return period that we’re talking about, that 2% or 4%, doesn’t mean we’re gonna have one 100-year storm in 100 years or a 25-year storm in 25 years. It just means annually we’re gonna see those type of storms come up 4% of the time or 1% of the time. They could come up many times. That’s just a probability of statistics. So, we use that probability of statistics for design. Because when we design something, we wanna know our infrastructure is gonna handle or have the capacity for that particular exceedance probability. So, interesting facts on statistics – I’m not a statistician, but there’s a lot of data needed to accurately support the rain exceedance probability. You can see for a 10-year, 25-year, or a 100-year storm event if you want a plus or minus 10% level of confidence, you need about 100 years of data. If you want a 25% error level, you need anywhere from about 30 to 50 years of data. And I would say we’ve got good high-tech-type rain data in the past 50 to 70 years. For 100 years, we’ve got rain data, but it probably is not as technical or accurate. So, you see there is error built into the statistics, and some of it can be pretty significant. So, when we plot this rain data, what does it look like statistically on a graph? That top graph up there is actually a plot between the amount of rainfall and a log of the percent probability of exceedance. So, you see all those dots occurring down there from a one-year, two-year, 10-year? That’s what most of the statistics are on those lower events because we just have more rain events. We have more of those types of rains occurring. And we use that plotted data on a log graph to draw a linear line. Mathematicians, engineers – they all love linear lines because with that linear line we can project. And if you look at that projection, Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 9 of 63 9 there’s really no data around the 50- or 100-year event. We’re just projecting what that would look like or be. In fact, the bottom graph down there is the actual plotted data. In other words, they’re both linear axes. And on that linear axis, you can see the plots. And most of the plots happen down there below the 20-year. So, most of the designs are on that projected line that you see or that area of the graph that we really have no data. And we’re assuming that’s what’s gonna normally happen in a 25- or 100-year event. All designers design from cause and effect, and stormwater engineers are no different. In my prior life, I did structural engineering believe it or not, and they do the same thing. They take statistics. They have to worry about wind loads, earthquake loads, and they take that. Those are the causes that could cause their building to fall down. So, they would take basically many years of collective statistics and design their buildings based on that. Well, stormwater engineers do the same thing. Traffic engineers do the same thing. That’s what all their design manuals are. The only time that’s different is if we’re gonna build something or design something, and I’m kinda giving away the trade secrets of engineers here. So, I hope I don’t surprise anybody or upset the engineering community. But the only time that’s really different is if you have an existing structure out there, then you could actually go out in the field and collect data on that existing structure. But in stormwater management, that’s difficult to do because it’s very costly. And the other thing that happens is you can’t really change – the drainage basin wouldn’t be able to change at that point. Sara does that a lot. Sara Leaders, our traffic engineer. She’ll go out and count cars. And what she’s doing is she’s collecting local statistical data on existing structures. So, stormwater engineers do that same thing. So, what you see over there is flood frequency data used for design. And NRCS (SCS) uses that to actually design their dams. They actually take existing basins, and they’ll measure the rainfall and then gauge how much runs off. So, now they can create their own peak flow curves and collect that data and then assume that their dam’s gonna be designed with what they call “probable maximum flood.” So, they use that data to design their dams with. And we’ll talk about that a little bit later. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 10 of 63 10 The other method that’s used is the rainfall data, which is what we talked about. And those are IDF curves. We’re gonna talk about those in just a few minutes. So, these are the two different methods that are used in stormwater infrastructure. If it’s existing, you can sometimes change or modify your structure with collecting your own statistics. But if it’s gonna be a design, you need to take the already statistics out there and use that in your design. So, here’s an example. And there’s downfalls of both methods, actually. So, here’s one of the problems with taking existing measurements on an existing basin. If you had a basin that looked like what it looks like on the left there and it was like that 80 years – if Milton looked like that for 80 years and you had all this flood statistical data – and we do have some actual rain gauges. We have one over here right off the bridge off 140 between Cherokee and Fulton. There’s a US geological gauge there. I think there’s one on Big Creek. So, they actually do have some local gauges around here. And we have 80 years of that. And then all of a sudden, that drainage basin changes. The conditions of it change, which is what you see on the right. The data is no longer valid because there’s just a different type of runoff. You can get a much higher flow in those situations. So, flood frequency statistics work well as long as your drainage basin doesn’t ever change. But that doesn’t really happen. We know that doesn’t really happen. So, that’s the difficulty with the flood frequency data. So, if we took our City Hall data and we wanted to plot that out, what we would do is we would plot it according to this graph you see up here. And we’d plot it according to duration and precipitation depth. And the duration is the total time for a given rainfall depth. Frequency is how often this depth occurs in a year. That’s the annual exceedance probability, which we already talked about. And that’s why you see the different lines. So, if that event occurs 4% of the time, then you’re talking about a 25-year storm on that particular graph. And you would follow that 25-year line up there to find out and plot that precipitation depth. So, that’s the first part. But design engineers use what we call an IDF curve, and these are Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 11 of 63 11 IDF curves. So, this graph we just saw here – you take the time and divide it into your depth. Now we have what we call an “apples-to- apples comparison.” We added intensity. So, that intensity, inches per hours – we use a uniform timeline there – we can compare a storm to a storm now. It’s an apple to an apple. So, you wanna collect your data based on the same type of storms. And that’s how you do that with these IDF curves. So, what’s intensity? Here an example of intensity rainfall – not so intense on the left, very intense on the right. You probably heard the expression – it rains on the just and the unjust. You probably grew up with that expression. I like to think that the unjust see a little bit more intense rainstorms. At least that’s what I see on the right there. I like to hope that anyway. So, why is this important to stormwater infrastructure? This is what we really design with. But rain data is the easy component of hydrology. So, we’re about to shift gears here. And we’re gonna go a little bit more involved and a little more deeper on what we actually do with this data. So, does everybody understand the rainfall data? I’m hoping so. And if I didn’t say – stop and ask me question as I went through some of that. But, anyway, the ultimate goal of hydrology is to determine if and when the flooding occurs. Flooding doesn’t happen unless stormwater surface runoff occurs. So, how is stormwater runoff determined? So, this is the part we’re gonna talk about. It’s not just the rain data. This is the tool that stormwater engineers use on a regular basis. It’s called a hydrograph. And these hydrographs actually calculate a peak flow for a given basin based on a percent probability. Remember that 10-year, 50-year, 100-year storm? And there’s different methods to calculate these hydrographs. But this is what engineers and hydrologists and other designers use to come up with a design for stormwater. And we talked about those two different techniques. So, these hydrographs can be developed either using rain event frequencies, which is your IDF curves. Or they can take it from measured local flows from rain events, which is your US geological gauge that you see over here on the creek off of the bridge. You can build hydrographs that way. So, this is the important part of hydrology – Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 12 of 63 12 is to determine what’s the peak flow. We wanna know what’s the maximum runoff that’s gonna occur on a particular basin. So, what is a drainage basin? And what are the different variables needed to create a hydrograph? On the left is a map of the US, and it shows some of the drainage basins just in the US. Well, these are the actual drainage basins. So, you can see the largest one is the Mississippi-Missouri drainage basin there in the center. And we’ve got tons of data on that, but that’s a huge basin. On the right is really what we work with. Of course, this is even a little bit too large too compared to some designs here over two or three acres, but that’s a drainage basin. So, you can see there’s different characteristics of these drainage basins. It’s the surface condition, the soil type, the impervious surface. It’s the size, the length of runoff, and the slope. All those will contribute to that hydrograph or the effect of that hydrograph. Infiltration is a major factor in stormwater runoff evaluation. If you look at that plot up top here, what you see is a red line or a dark brown line, whatever you wanna call it, and that’s the runoff. Runoff doesn’t really happen until infiltration stops, and that’s the blue line. So, infiltration happens quickly in the beginning of a rainstorm. There’s a lot of infiltration, and then the ground starts saturating. And then that’s when the runoff starts to occur or shows up. So, that infiltration’s a major factor in determining when a particular runoff will occur in design. Those factors are surface conditions, impervious surface, and soil types. And you can see down at the bottom, it varies with your forest condition or residential or urban. You get 90% to 100% more runoff in an urban area. Forest conditions – you only get about 10% to 20%. So, infiltration’s a major factor when we use design. This is a real-world example. You can see a road here. And this is actual data that they took off of this road. The top one has curb and gutter on the street, and you can see where the infiltration occurs alongside there. There is no infiltration below the road or even on the sidewalk, which is to the right. And the bottom one is a road with ditches in it. And you can see there’s more infiltration occurring on those ditches. This road’s pretty flat though. So, the flatter it is, the more infiltration is gonna happen. The steeper it is, obviously, the water won’t have as much time to infiltrate. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 13 of 63 13 Other factors affecting peak flows in a hydrograph – these are other watershed parameters contributing to peak flow, the size, the slope, and the runoff, which we’ve talked about. But there’s this interesting graph down here at the bottom that I thought I’d point out to council and the mayor. If you look at that graph, the very bottom line says 1941. Using the US geological gauge, they actually measured the flow frequency out there, collected data, and determined what that peak flow would be just by these flow frequencies. They use that statistics. So, in 1941, that’s what their actual hydrograph looked liked. There was very little if no peak at all. And then over time, the next one is 1953. Then there’s 1959. And then there’s the present. You can see the hydrograph shifts to the left, and the peak increases. And that’s due to the development. So, they’re actually measuring how much it rains and how much is actually running off. And you can see that increase there. In 1941 and actually in the 1950s, NRCS was out building a lot of their dams. Milton has eight of these dams. So, you can see here if NRCS – or back then it was called SCS (Soil Conversation Services) – they would’ve been designing those dams based on that 1941 graph, which had very little if no peak. So, as time changed, the peak changed. So, they do maximum probability to actually design their dams, which we talked about. So, they’re taking existing data. So, now that data, what they originally used for design, is really not valid anymore because the whole basin has changed. So, what’s the correct hydrological thinking on rain? Our psychiatrists and psychologists say the following is the correct thinking – I’d rather learn to dance in the rain than to worry if I have an umbrella for the rest of my life. Now leaders, public work directors, and Robert say the following is the correct thinking – and this is a quote from Warren Buffet. It says, “Predicting rain doesn’t count. Building arks does.” These are the constructed arks of the past to prepare for rain. These are the constructed arks of modern times to prepare for rain. On the left side, you see some wet ponds, detention ponds, which actually just hold the water until it has time to dissipate or discharge. There’s rain gardens on the left, landscape islands, bioretention Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 14 of 63 14 across the bottom. And what those do is they just increase that infiltration. Remember, infiltration is a major factor in the runoff. These are some other arks. They’re designed for modern times. Up at the top to the left there you see pervious pavers. They’re using those as parking lots, and that’s becoming a more common practice. You’ve got some sidewalks with the pervious pavers, even a driveway down there into the house is pervious pavers. And, of course, then you have your rain garden down there at the very bottom, and you’ve got some bioretention on that parking lot. And these are sort of the modern-day ways to help increase the infiltration and reduce the runoff. Milton remember what Dolly Parton told us about the rainbow. Well, Milton’s anticipating a ‘20-‘21 rainbows this year with less rain. So, I guess we’ve had the rainfall for 2020. That’s all I’ve got. Thanks. Thanks for your time. Mayor Lockwood: Thank you, Ken. We’ll move on to our first presentations. If, Tammy, you will please sound those items. FIRST PRESENTATION Tammy: Our first items is consideration of an ordinance appointing Richard E. Hicks as a standby judge at the municipal court for the City of Milton, Georgia, pursuant to Article V of the city charter – agenda item No. 20-325. Our next item is consideration of an ordinance appointing Barry L. Zimmerman as a standby judge at the municipal court for the City of Milton, Georgia, pursuant to Article V of the city charter – agenda item No. 20-326. Our third item is consideration of an ordinance appointing Keith A. Carnesale as a standby judge at the municipal court for the City of Milton, Georgia, pursuant to Article V of the city charter – agenda item No. 20-327. Our final first presentation item is consideration of an ordinance appointing Jared L. Mitnick as a standby judge of the municipal court for the City of Milton, Georgia, pursuant to Article V of the city charter – agenda item No. 20-328. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 15 of 63 15 Mayor Lockwood: Do I have a motion on the first presentation items? CM Bentley: Mayor, I’d like to make a motion to approve the first presentation items as read. Mayor Lockwood: Do I have a second? CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion from Councilmember Bentley for approval and second from Councilmember Moore. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous. Tonight, there are no items under public hearing. So, we’ll move on to our zoning agenda. If the city clerk will please read the zoning rules and sound the first zoning item. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to approve the First Presentation Items. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). ZONING AGENDA Tammy: When the Mayor and City Council consider a zoning agenda, the following rules apply. These zoning items include rezoning petitions, modifications of zoning, use permits, and associated concurrent variances in addition to ordinances, resolutions, and text amendments. I would like to acquaint you with some of the rules and procedures for this meeting. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 16 of 63 16 The applicant and all those speaking in support of an application will be allowed a total of 10 minutes to present the petition. The opposition will also be allowed a total of 10 minutes to present its position. If time remains, the opposition will be allowed to rebuttal. The applicant may choose to save some of the time for rebuttal following the presentation by the opposition. Since the burden of proof is upon the applicant, the applicant will be allowed to make closing remarks provided time remains within the allotted time. Those called to speak will be taken in the order that the speaker cards were received by the city clerk prior to the beginning of tonight’s meeting. All speakers will identify themselves by name, address, and organization if applicable before beginning their presentation. The planning commission has heard the rezoning agenda items, and their recommendations have been forwarded to the mayor and city council for consideration and disposition. The applicant shall not submit material to the council during this meeting unless requested to do so. All material that you wish to be reviewed by the council in consideration of your application should have been submitted to the Community Development Department and is included in the normal distribution of packages to the council. When an opponent of a rezoning action has made within two years immediately preceding the filing of the rezoning action being opposed – campaign contributors aggregating $250 or more to a local government, official of the local government, which will consider the application, it shall be the duty of the opponent to file a disclosure with the governing authority of the respective local government at least five days prior to the planning commission meeting. A violation of state statute constitutes a misdemeanor. Therefore, if you have contributed $250 or more to a councilmember and you have not filed a disclosure prior to the planning commission meeting, the city attorney strongly suggests that you have someone else speak for your point of view. Our first zoning item this evening is consideration of zoning text amendment RZ20-17 to amend Section 64-395. Uses prohibited in all zoning districts as it relates to temporary consumer fireworks retail sales facilities – agenda item No. 20-306. Ms. Robyn Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 17 of 63 17 MacDonald. Robyn: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Sorry, I wasn’t prepared for some really incredible quotes to forward or preface this presentation. Mayor Lockwood: You could just wing it, Robyn. Robyn: I’ll think about it. So, I have a hard act to follow here. The first item that we have is kind of the tail end of a series of text amendments that you all had heard a couple months ago regarding consumer fireworks retail sales facilities. During those text amendments, we had defined what was called a nonstructural consumer fireworks retail sales facility, which means a trailer towed by a motor vehicle or tent, canopy or membrane, any thin flexible or foldable layer of material used to block sun, wind, or water – structure in which consumer fireworks are offered for sale to the public. So, we defined that, but we had not advertised for the exclusion of that, which comes under Section 64-395 – use is prohibited in all zoning districts. So, if you all end up approving this, this will be included in the list of prohibited uses in all zoning districts called a nonstructural consumer fireworks retail sales facility, which is different than a regular consumer fireworks retail sales facility. So, with that, that is the end of my presentation. Mayor Lockwood: Any questions for Robyn? Do we have any public comment? Tammy: Not on 20-306. Mayor Lockwood: If there’s no other comment or questions, I’ll open up for a motion. CM Bentley: Mayor, I’d like to make a motion to approve agenda item No. RZ20-17. CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion for approval from Councilmember Bentley with a second from Councilmember Moore. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 18 of 63 18 CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to approve Agenda Item No. RZ20-17. Councilmember Cookerly seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Robyn: I’m sorry. I read the wrong – I read RZ20 [audio cuts out] [00:39:10] agenda item 20-306. I just wanna make sure that doesn’t cause a problem. Attorney Ken: You need a reconsideration, Mr. Mayor. Mayor Lockwood: We need to rescind that motion or just do a reconsideration? Attorney Ken: Just a motion for reconsideration and then restate the motion. Mayor Lockwood: All right. I’ll open it up for a motion for reconsideration on that last item. CM Bentley: Mayor, I’d like to make a motion for reconsideration. CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: Paul, you good with that? I have a motion and a second for reconsideration. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 19 of 63 19 CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous. Now we’ll open it up for a motion on this agenda item. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to reconsider Agenda Item No. 20-306. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). CM Bentley: Mayor, I’d like to make a motion to approve agenda item No. 20- 306. CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion for approval on [audio cuts out] [00:40:09] 063 from Councilmember Bentley and a second from Councilmember Moore. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous. Thank you. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to approve Agenda Item No. 20-306. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 20 of 63 20 Tammy: Our next item is consideration of a zoning text amendment, RZ20- 18, to create a new use permit, Section 64-1845 for farm winery consumption on premises of beer and/or liquor – agenda item No. 20-307. Ms. Robyn MacDonald. Robyn: So, good evening, again, Mayor and City Council. Here we’re back again. I just wanna review quickly what we’ve gone through the last couple months in this process. So, first of all, farm winery in of itself is a permitted use by right within the AG-1 zoning district. You all approved some text amendments to Chapter 4 regarding alcoholic beverages to be sold – the selling of just wine at a farm winery. Then Council directed our staff with the assistance from the economic development manager to propose a new use permit to allow the sale of beer and/or liquor at a farm winery. Staff presented a draft use permit on August 10th work session. And then this draft went before the CZIM meeting on August 25th where there was no one in attendance either in person or via Zoom. We presented it to the planning commission for their input. Let me go back. So, at the planning commission meeting, basically what happened was the planning commission recommended to not approve a new use permit. I believe it was a vote of four to two not to adopt it. And then we came back to you on October 19th for further direction, and here we are at the final vote tonight. Just in more detail, the majority of members did not support it of the planning commission, and they believed it would be permitting a bar in the agricultural district and that would be a slippery slope. Based on different comments from the planning commission as well as internal discussions and your input from October 19th, we’ve proposed this version of a use permit to allow beer and/or liquor on a farm winery. So, I have in red the changes that I made based on input from the 19th of October. We increased the minimum lot size from 5 to 10 acres, also requiring the owner of the subject lot to reside on the subject lot. And then as you go down further to No. 9 – stated the area where wine, beer, and/or liquor are permitted to be served and consumed shall be identified on the site plan and shall not be allowed outside of the defined area. So, everything else is the same Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 21 of 63 21 as we reviewed back on the 19th of this proposed use permit. So, we have that. And that’s all I have for this item. Mayor Lockwood: Are there any questions for Robyn on this? Do we have a public comment on this item? Tammy: We do have one. Ms. Sullivan is here. Ms. Sullivan, you can come up to the podium. Ms. Sullivan: Good evening. My name is Mimi Sullivan. My address is 2090 Bethany Way. We have only one farm winery right now in Milton. So, my comments are being addressed towards that current facility, current use. So, this farm is across the street and one lot over from mine. And it’s become very obvious to us over the last couple of months that something’s going on over there because it resembles an event space in terms of noise and traffic congestion. We already have a problem. I don’t know how many of you are aware, but there’s a big curve on Bethany Way with straight on either side. We have a real problem there with speed, and we have a lot of accidents in our curve. People will come through that curve at 60 miles an hour. We’ve had many, many accidents where cars have turned over in the front yards of those of us who live there. We’ve had several meetings. We’ve asked for some reduced speed limits, traffic-calming measures. None of that has occurred. There has been no progress on that being done. So, one of my concerns is – the traffic on the road is already deadly, and we have a problem with speeds. And if we add alcohol to that mix from this farm winery right on that road… Now, they had a special use permit Saturday night for 200 people, which means there were probably 100 cars there if you count staff and the people working. You’re talking about putting a whole lot of cars on that road into the evening, people that may or may not consuming alcohol, on a road we already have a problem with. It’s only two lanes. It’s right near what’s apparently gonna be the last and costliest roundabout in Milton at Bethany Bend and Hopewell. And one of their entrances to one of their parking lots is right there at that intersection. So, there’s already a problem with congestion. It’s one of the few east/west cut-throughs. Serving alcohol, I feel like, is gonna create another danger to our traffic speeding issue. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 22 of 63 22 The other problem I have is – if this is a farm winery and they are growing grapes to produce their own wine and people are coming to see that winery and see that agricultural use of land, I have a hard time understanding why it would be an okay thing to also serve anyone else’s wine, anybody’s beer, and anybody’s alcohol if the focus is on this winery, their product, how they produce it, and so forth. What we’re seeing are a lot of big events. They look like weddings or parties. We’re seeing big tents with lights. One of the bigger problems is the noise. So, inside of my house with my HVAC on, with my television on, I can hear the music good enough to sing along to the songs. And that bass, that beat of that music – it is endless until the music stops. Now, right now, I think they have to stop around 8:00. But I think I saw somewhere in the new use permit or in the proposal that they can go as long as 10:00 at night seven days a week. Seven days a week until 10:00 at night, you’ve got outdoor music coming. And we are in a horse farm area. We have fields, large lots. This sound carries over those open fields. I’m up on a hill. I’ve got a valley between me and the hill behind me, and I think we can talk to each other hill to hill and barely have to yell. So, the noise, it’s like a music festival over there. It’s like an event space over there. One of the concerns I had is that we’re labeling a farm winery an agricultural use. But we have a commercial-type use for event spaces and festivals and for landscape use. So, maybe if you’re actually growing grapes to produce your own wine, that’s landscape use. If you’re having events with music and parties and lots of people coming and lots of noise and alcohol served, that seems perilously close to an event for me, an event or a festival. So, I’m having a hard time kinda fitting, at least this particular farm winery, into the definition of agricultural use. And I just wonder how much of that 10 acres has to be devoted to the agricultural production or agricultural use of a winery. It might be good to kind of have some limit on that. It there an acre of grapes? Is there two acres of grapes? The State of Georgia in their code states that a farm winery is located on premises of substantial portion of which is used for agricultural purposes, including the cultivation of grapes, berries, Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 23 of 63 23 or fruits, to be utilized in the manufacture or production of wine by the winery 40%. It also says it should be owned and operated by persons who are engaged in the production of a substantial portion of the agricultural produce used into its annual production. And some of these questions might be better asked to the State of Georgia where they have licensed this particular place as a farm winery, but I feel as if in that 10 acres there should be some minimum amount that perhaps is actually agricultural production of a farm winery. So, in summary, I oppose this particular use to have alcohol there both for traffic purposes – I don’t know where the noise fits in to that, but the noise is an issue and certainly the traffic and already on a dangerous road and nothing having been done to mitigate that up to this point. And now we’re adding this? I have real concerns about the traffic. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. Mayor Lockwood: Thank you, Ms. Sullivan. Is there any other public comment on this item? Tammy: No, sir. Mayor Lockwood: Any other questions for Robyn on this? Did you have a question [audio cuts out] [00:51:26]? CM Moore: [Audio cuts out] question or a comment? Mayor Lockwood: Well? CM Moore: I’ll guess I’ll start with a comment. I know that we contemplated this originally because we had an application before us by the farm winery. And you guys did a good assessment of how it related to a by right use. State parameters are set, in which we abide by as well. I think it became confusing when we took [audio cuts out] [00:52:01] of this particular application of this to [audio cuts out] put forward by the applicant at the time. But I think it’s important that when we’re measuring this that we separate what the experience has been at the applicant’s site versus what our intent is [audio cuts out] business. And Ms. Sullivan makes some very profound points about things for us to consider, most of which have to do with the applicant’s events and the way they are conducting their business on the site separate and apart Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 24 of 63 24 from a grade-up consideration of a farm winery. I’ll pose a couple of things for consideration. One is whether or not this part is important for us to do tonight or whether or not it’s separate from the consideration of the application that had been before us, which I understand is still a moving target. I have challenged the applicant’s business plan before when they’ve been before us. And I think it’s a confusing target. I think it’s a disservice to the city to end what that looks like the way they’re applying their [audio cuts out]. I think it’s important that we take a hard look at event-type things that are taking place separate and apart from the actual conducting of the business. I’ll offer that for consideration [audio cuts out]. Mayor Lockwood: I do wanna ask a question. So, at this point, when we started working on this, there were applications. But there’s not. Is that correct? Robyn: Well, technically, there can’t be any application for something that doesn’t exist yet, but I think there was interest by the sole farm winery in the city. At this point, we’ve been on continuing discussions with her and her land use attorney. And, actually, we’re gonna be meeting again this week. So, we’re trying to work through some of those questions that you all have raised to us and concerns that we’ve received. But as of last week, they’ve indicated that they are not interested in pursuing this use permit if it is approved. Again, obviously, what Councilman Moore stated, we’re looking at this for the entire city but not necessarily just for one applicant. But it’s obviously up to you all what you wanna do with it. Mayor Lockwood: That is my point. This is something overall. But we do need to keep in mind that there’s not any critical timing at this point. If we wanted to defer this or extend it or look at it later, it’s not something that is urgent. Robyn: Right. Mayor Lockwood: Because from what Robyn said, there is not someone looking to bring an application forward. So, keep that in mind. CM Bentley: To our knowledge, are there any other farm wineries that are Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 25 of 63 25 commercial? Robyn: No. They are not registered. I see Sarah back there nodding her head, no. I know I’ve had some interest. I had some calls from a property owner that to be honest, they’re in a CUP, and they would have to rezone back to AG-1 to do a farm winery by right. So, right now, we have none. CM Bentley: I just have a comment. My comments are as follows – I have received numerous comments from community members adjacent and on this road, which were in opposition. Couple that with the planning commission’s decision for denial – I also feel that since we have just one and this is new to the city, I think that I would be prepared to deny this. I do think it’s a disservice to the neighbors to defer endlessly because they would not know the status of this option. So, that’s where I am on this. Mayor Lockwood: Carol? CM Cookerly: Thank you. So, I am not sure what makes me more uncomfortable, whether it’s the farm winery aspect or the special events, whether those two are necessarily co-joined because that’s a route I travel quite a bit, and there seems to be a lot of events there with a lot of parked cars. Do you know? Does anybody know? Is there a limit to special use permits if there are weddings and things like that? Or is it all smushed together, and there’s no transparency on it? Robyn: So, as was indicated previously, the first temporary special event permit we issued for this past weekend for an event that was occurring on the property, it’s the first time that I’ve ever in my memory issued a permit. The administrative permit is allowed twice per year per property. So, that’s something that I alluded to that we’re working with the applicant and her attorney to kinda resolve these issues and try to come to an understanding of what the next steps would be for them. I don’t know if the city attorney or anybody wants to – who was in that discussion? Attorney Ken: I think, Councilmember Cookerly, one of your questions is – are these permits and some of these uses [audio cuts out] [00:58:41] sort of mushed together is what I thought you were saying. I think the typical answer is yes. And the issue, particularly the property we’re talking about – and I know we’re having another meeting on Wednesday – is getting to Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 26 of 63 26 the bottom of exactly what they think they can do on the property and whether we agree that they can do those things on the property. So, I wanna reserve my own judgment on that because we received a fairly [audio cuts out] list of things that they maintain that they can do on the property. And, candidly, I’m not sure that I have had a chance to vet that with city staff yet. And I wanna be able to do that before I can tell you if I have a comfort level that I agree with what they thing they can do. CM Cookerly: Well, I was intrigued because in my travels seeing quite a few cars there with golf carts and things like that moving people around but a lot of parked cars and then to hear that they haven’t had that many special use permits. It’s just math and what exactly – I would appreciate transparency across the board, which I think is fair to the neighbors. Attorney Ken: Agreed. CM Cookerly: Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: Paul? CM Moore: Robyn, I have a question for you. Farm winery definition as provided to us by the state does not contemplate all of the other things that we’re experiencing with the applicant today, correct? It entitles them to the farm winery activities, the production of grapes and wine, and maybe even a tasting room. But it does not necessarily include all the other things that we’re experiencing on the property that have been discussed to great length. Is that correct? Robyn: So, I would defer to Sarah because I’m not super familiar with the exact definition of the state. I know that we have the definition here at the top based upon our Chapter 4. So, I don’t know if it’s exactly the same or not per the state or if the city attorney wants to speak – whoever. Sarah: Fill in the blanks. So, are you talking about the ability to have events on the property? CM Moore: My question is – the state definition of a farm winery does not include the kinds of things that we’re experiencing that a lot of Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 27 of 63 27 concern has been expressed about, the events – Sarah: Events, right. CM Moore: – the music, lots of parked cars, etcetera. Sarah: Not that I know of. By right, the state does allow beer and liquor consumption on premise. That part the state does allow. I don’t think it addresses events. Attorney Ken: It doesn’t. It doesn’t exclude them. I am intrigued. I’ve got it in front of me. It does talk about the premises. And then it says, “a substantial portion of which is used for agricultural purposes” clearly written by a lawyer – indecipherable. A substantial portion – so, what does that mean? We’re gonna get to the bottom of that. And I’m having some fun with it. But I know that means more than just nominal use. CM Moore: Where the predominate use appears – Attorney Ken: That’s what I’m getting to. That’s right. CM Moore: – to be something other than a farm winery. Attorney Ken: That’s right. CM Moore: There’s an underlying farm winery, but it really is an event facility. Attorney Ken: Exactly. CM Moore: Having heard that with the benefit of that from Robyn and from Sarah, I would go down the path of – is the alcohol portion of that different for the City of Milton than from the state? I’m just saying if the council were to choose to go forward this evening, I would be hard-pressed to support the alcohol portion, the beer and spirits portion, because that is different than we’ve ever allowed in Milton before. And I would support the planning commission’s recommendations for the reasons that they – the great length that they went to vet it. If we were not gonna go forward with that, I think there is some value to pausing because I know that in our consideration it’s been heavy-handed with the consideration of the applicant separate from when you have a clear assessment of it if it were not with the Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 28 of 63 28 applicant’s consideration. So, I think we’ve clouded it. The applicant at this point is truly separating some of those. It might be best served to simply pause. I offer that for consideration. Mayor Lockwood: Yeah. We mentioned that earlier. Laura? CM Bentley: I just wanted to make I remember this correctly because we did come back, Sarah, and we allowed the sale of out-of-state wine for this particular winery also in addition to… Sarah: Correct. The initial rewrite of Chapter 4 – we said they could only sell their wines and other wines made in Georgia. That was the initial approval of the entire ordinance. And then we came back and revised that that they could have any wine they wanted from anywhere that they could sell on the premises. Mayor Lockwood: Joe? CM Longoria: I certainly understand the citizens’ concerns related to this. I just wanna point out we’ve spent a lot of time talking about this up to this point. And the text amendment, the way it’s written, was our suggestion as a group. So, I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. I’m not it’s a good thing. But we made those decisions based on a lot of information that was being shared, a lot of detail related to what makes a venue like this successful. So, I don’t wanna lose track of the fact that some of this was well founded on the information that had been shared at that point in time. But I support delaying this decision or putting this off until a better date. CM Cookerly: Can I just add one thing. Mayor Lockwood: Go ahead, Carol, and then Peyton. CM Cookerly: Go ahead, dear. CM Jamison: I’m good. CM Cookerly: So, I understand that in the comments. However, [audio cuts out] [01:05:04] clear to me that big events plus farm winery plus horse operation. I thought we were [audio cuts out] farm winery/event venue, then that’s – I’m with you. [Audio cuts out] pause button and understand [audio cuts out]. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 29 of 63 29 CM Jamison: I was gonna say just exactly what Carol said. I know the applicant really isn’t applying for this now – is what they said. [Audio cuts out] at that point. Mayor Lockwood: Paul? CM Moore: Another question for Robyn. Robyn, is staff better served to have an underlying ordinance in place for farm wineries at this point, even if we choose to pause on all the other? Or are you equally well served at this point for us to pause? Robyn: You’re saying a farm winery that’s just serving wine of their own or what’s permitted thus far without… CM Moore: Not the text amendment. Robyn: Right, without the beer or liquor. CM Moore: Are you served efficiency and sufficiently by the ordinance prior to the text amendment to facilitate a farm winery in Milton? Robyn: I think that’s a policy decision. That’s not up to me. I think that obviously this farm winery – and we can talk to the city attorney – would be grandfathered in. And, therefore, an existing one, I don’t think, would have to meet all of these requirements because we allowed it as a permitted use. So, I would let the city attorney address that. So, again, it’s a policy issue, whether you feel like in the future you want future farm wineries to go through a use permit even if they’re not selling beer or liquor and then what would happen with the existing one. Attorney Ken: Well, it’s interesting you’re talking about that. Having the existing use because we begin to regulate it, we all know how that – I think there is already discussion, but I would sort of bifurcate the issues. The [audio cuts out] [01:07:31] is what heard is that single farm winery that I think – at least I know we have [audio cuts out] some of this is not in a hurry to pull down this permit. Therefore, from my perspective, I don’t see any legal [audio cuts out]. Mayor Lockwood: I will [audio cuts out]. Ken, question for you because I’ve heard both a delay, a pause on the shelf so to speak, and an outright denial. What would the process be for a delay or [inaudible]. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 30 of 63 30 Attorney Ken: It depends what the objective of the council is. If it’s truly to delay and have something else brought back because this isn’t what you wanted, that looks like one thing to me. That would be some direction to staff with perhaps a date certain put on a future agenda. Or if it’s truly “let’s just take a time out,” you could withdraw the agenda item all together or you could table it. And, of course, remember, procedurally from a parliamentary procedure standpoint, if you table it, there have to be basically two meetings to bring it back it. One meeting where you remove it from the table and then it comes back to the next succeeding meeting. So, I would be comfortable with either or any of those, Mr. Mayor. To me, the trigger though is direction or no direction. If there’s really not any direction, then it seems to me either a table or withdrawal would be the right play. If there’s direction, then I think it helps staff to know what their objective date is to bring it back. Mayor Lockwood: Comments on that? Questions? CM Longoria: I say withdrawal was the best option because it gives us more flexibility. Mayor Lockwood: Do you agree with that, Ken? Attorney Ken: Mr. Mayor, that’s fine because this is a city-initiated code change. It can be brought back whenever the staff or the council want it brought back. CM Bentley: I just have a comment at this point. After thinking a long time about introducing beer and liquor into our AG-1 areas, I’m not gonna have any additional direction on this. So, just for the record, I wanna state that there’s really no change or improvement that I can foresee that would have me supporting this. Mayor Lockwood: All right. I’ll open up for a motion. CM Jamison: Mayor, I’ll make a motion to withdraw agenda item No. 20-307. CM Longoria: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion for withdrawal from Councilmember Jamison with Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 31 of 63 31 a second from Councilmember Longoria. Is there any discussion on that? All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: Any opposed? That would be six support and Councilmember Bentley against. Tammy, will you please sound the next zoning item. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Jamison moved to withdraw Agenda Item No. 20-307. Councilmember Longoria seconded the motion. The motion passed (6-1). Councilmember Bentley voted in opposition. Tammy: The next item is consideration of zoning amendment RZ20-19 to amend Section 64-1121 within the rural Milton overlay as it relates to a farm winery – agenda item No. 20-308. Robyn: So, this next item RZ20-19 is a use table that comes out of the rural Milton overlay district. It’s associated with farm wineries. But with that said, there was a tweak that we needed to make. So, even though you’re withdrawing the farm wineries consumption on premises of beer and liquor, we don’t need it for that. But I would like you to consider adding farm wineries under the agricultural-type uses just to make this table complete since this is more of a recent-type use. So, with that said, I would recommend approval of RZ20-19 with an amendment just to add farm wineries to agricultural-type uses and not to include farm wineries consumption on premises with [audio cuts out] [01:12:11]. It’s not up. It’s coming up. So, you’ll have it in front of you in a second – there. So, that second column is agricultural-type uses. So, basically what we do, we subdivide in the rural Milton overlay Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 32 of 63 32 different types of uses depending on what the uses are. And there’s another page. There’s some more items before this, but I just put this one on. We look at things like buffers, parking location, just general things. But in our agricultural-type uses, we really wanna make it as simple as possible. So, that’s why we wanna put this farm winery, just the farm winery that’s allowed by right – you see the asterisk? And then on the bottom right, it says allowed by right within the zoning district. So, I would request that you approve this table with an amendment to add farm wineries only. CM Cookerly: Strike the other? Robyn: Right, to strike the second one. Attorney Ken: The one without the asterisk. Robyn: Correct. Mayor Lockwood: Do we have any public comment on this? Tammy: We do. Ms. Sullivan has a comment on this. Ms. Sullivan: Here I am again. Mimi Sullivan 2090 Bethany Way. You all may get tired of hearing from me tonight. I guess an agricultural use is as simple as possible, but it makes it simple as possible to put that tent right up along the road at the front of the street with all the lights and all the chairs and tables inside of it and the music nearby. So, that’s one of my concerns. My other concern is that all of this is happening during a pandemic. This whole issue has been unleashed during this time when very few people are paying any attention to what’s going on. And that concerns me that we’re not getting more input. And part of the reason I feel that we’re not getting more input from the neighborhood is because we’re all looking for signs. We’re all looking for that yellow sign out there in front of that place. What is going on? We’re calling each other saying, “What is going on?” And there’s no notice to us. We’ve received nothing in the mail to tell us. We’ve received no signs in front of the property to say, “This is what’s going on. This is what’s being considered. You may wanna find out what’s going on in here.” There has been a small line mentioned in an agenda meeting that I Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 33 of 63 33 think a lot of us aren’t paying attention to because we’re more concerned with our jobs and our children and school and everything else going on. So, one of my questions – and I don’t necessarily expect you all to be able to answer this tonight. So, if we withdraw this and we table this and this doesn’t happen, does that mean she has to stop doing what she’s doing? This has been going on now for months. Does that mean the music is gonna stop? And the music goes on at least three nights a week. Does that mean that we’re gonna stop seeing all the police cars in the road blocking traffics, cars lined up back to the curb so that someone coming down from Haygood around the curve can’t see those stopped cars until they get around that curve. Does that mean that our neighborhood will go quiet again? Because right now we have got a commercial use in the middle of a residential area. I can only address this one farm winery because that’s all I have. But it feels like we should define what we think a farm winery should be doing in Milton before we make approval on any kind of amendments about it. What is our definition of farm winery? There’s been a lot of conversation about that tonight, and it seems to not be clear. If you look at the 69 pictures that are on the website for this farm winery, seven of 69 show anything to do with wine. Two are with grapes. One is with 1-foot tall seedlings planted. Another looks like an established mature vineyard, and I wonder if that picture was even taken at that property. But all the other 62 pictures show festivals, events, parties, tables lined up in the woods with lights and trees. So, I feel like the focus of this farm winery is not the production of wine and highlighting their wine. And one of my other concerns is that – let’s see, no signs – oh, it’s a nice idea to say, “We’re gonna have one site on the property. This is the only place that you can have alcohol. You can’t walk around with a glass. You can’t have it out here in the woods, at the table, or over here.” Who’s monitoring that? Who’s gonna go onsite every night to these events and see where someone is drinking this alcohol. That might be something you’re proposing that’s very hard to monitor. So, I’m not sure that’s necessarily a solution unless you have an enforcement officer that’s gonna be at every event there that’s checking that out. Those are pretty much all my thoughts. I appreciate you alls’ Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 34 of 63 34 attention so much. And it’s nice to know that you all are being so thoughtful about this topic. Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: Thank you, Ms. Sullivan. Any other public comment? Tammy: No, sir. Mayor Lockwood: I’ll close the public hearing and then bring it back to questions for Robyn or Ken or any other staff members. CM Bentley: I have a question. So, Robyn, the change to the chart – that includes not the prior text amendment details, the 10 acres. Robyn: Correct, correct. It just… CM Bentley: It’s just updating the chart – Robyn: Right. CM Bentley: – for farm wineries. Robyn: So, it would comply with the develop – there’s only like four or five development standards that are under the [audio cuts out] [01:18:34]. CM Bentley: So, in that definition of farm wineries, would the ability to sell that we granted, out-of-state wine, be included in that definition of farm winery? Because we decided that a while ago. Robyn: I’m just looking at from whatever the farm winery was permitted to do yesterday or before, they’re still allowed to do that today if you approve. It doesn’t really make any impact on what they can or can’t do. It’s whatever is permitted through the alcohol license and the state. That’s all that means as a farm winery. CM Bentley: Thank you. CM Moore: I have another question. Sorry. I’m trying to figure out how to ask the question. Robyn, if I remember correctly, at one point in our discussion, not this evening, in a prior discussion about this, when there was some concern expressed about setbacks or buffers for the farm winery, remind me. If it’s an official agricultural use nascent to AG-1 residential use, what is the setback requirement? Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 35 of 63 35 Robyn: So, under this category of agricultural-type uses, you only have to comply with the standard AG-1 setback. So, if you’re growing grapevines, you could do it right at the property line. But any kind of buildings that would be on it at this point in time would just have to comply with the AG-1 setbacks as well as – under this category, there’s no buffers. Traditionally, if you had a church adjacent to a residential, we would require 75 feet for more than 4 acres. So, none of those buffers are within this category of this agricultural type uses. CM Moore: So, in assessing the current operation that’s there, the [audio cuts out] [01:20:40] part of it is basically zero setbacks if I heard you correctly for the growing of the grapes. Robyn: Growing of the grapes, yeah. CM Moore: Growing, harvesting, whatever – and if it’s done manually or even with machinery, that can be done pretty much at the property line without restriction. Robyn: Correct. CM Moore: And in your assessment of what the structures are on the site, are those compliant with the appropriate setbacks? Are there any considerations that we’d need? Robyn: I would have to look at the site plan. I don’t have it right in front of me. I can’t give you an exact answer. CM Moore: If we were to not include that this evening in the request that you made for that placed into the chart, again, because we’re providing other consideration for farm wineries, would that pose any issue to staff right now if we were to delay on that as well until we better understood what our definition of a farm winery is? Robyn: That would be up to you all. I would see if I could go back and look at what the situation of our only farm winery is what kind position they would be, and I can do. CM Moore: The reason I ask – I have mixed feelings about it because of the important statement that you made [audio cuts out] [01:22:12] attorney would need in on and the fact that there has been this ongoing use. Because it’s been allowed for a period of time and the applicant feels like there are some things that they are entitled to, Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 36 of 63 36 whether or not we take this action tonight really would have less impact on that one because of the fact that they’ve been doing it that way for a period of time. Are we actually providing more protection for staff by putting it in the table today rather than delay? Attorney Ken: That’s a mixed question, Councilmember. The reality is we do recognize something in Milton called a farm winery. It’s in our code. It’s in the state law, and our code simply says to the definition of what is a farm winery – it’s a farm winery that’s considered a farm winery by the state. So, I don’t know that whether we make what I would almost consider to be a housekeeping table amendment tonight moves my needle one way or the other as to whether this one business we’re all sort of talking about derives any benefit or detriment from it. From a legal perspective, I could go either way. CM Moore: The comfort I was looking was recognizing that there are certain things that we are forced to address because of what we’re already dealing with versus the opportunity to give staff something that they need to your point with housekeeping going forward. I’m inclined to lean toward giving staff the benefit of the housekeeping correction, and if it doesn’t provide us any detriment or any unsure footing with the other application part of it, I’m inclined to go forward with the housekeeping. Attorney Ken: I understand. That makes sense. Mayor Lockwood: Laura? CM Bentley: Just a comment on farm wineries, I know we’ve only identified one commercial one, but we do have others in the city. Robyn: Correct. I guess there is true that there is somebody in Sunnybrook Farms that has a pretty extensive winery as far as growing grapes. But he doesn’t, as far as I know, open it up for the public. It’s just for his own hobby. CM Bentley: So, with that, I would just say I obviously support farm wineries, and this seems to be a housekeeping item we need to just go ahead and allow. In my opinion, again, the text amendment is different. That’s a deeper and more serious matter with what we allow if I’m understanding this the right way. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 37 of 63 37 Robyn: I’m not sure even what the gentleman in Sunnybrook Farms says. I don’t know what he does with his grapes. I don’t know if he produces wine to be sold. So, I’m not even sure if that is considered a farm winery, or he’s just doing agricultural propagation of grapevines and then collecting it. I’m not sure what makes ultimately a farm winery. I do know that he grows grapes. CM Bentley. It’s an Ag use, and this is what we want in Milton. Robyn: Right. CM Bentley: So, I in no way want to squelch that. The additional uses with the farm winery are my issues. Mayor Lockwood: Anybody else? Joe? CM Longoria: Robyn, there’ve been a couple comments tonight about things that are actually taking place on some of the properties that are known to be farm wineries. We don’t have any nonconforming activity taking place, do we? We don’t have an enforcement problem, do we? Robyn: Well, I think that’s what we’re in discussions with the property owner and her attorney to try to figure out what the City of Milton… Mayor Lockwood: Would that be better answered by Ken? Attorney Ken: Yeah, it’s a work in progress, Councilmember Longoria. We’re still looking at this. Like I say, we got presented with a laundry list of uses that this property owner believes they have been doing for decades. And their position is, therefore, they have the right to continue doing it. I think staff was gonna go do some research to see not only what maybe their notes reflected but also maybe what some of the previous codes from Fulton County would’ve authorized in some of the departments that they might have been issued, but that’s a work in progress. So, your question’s a good one. As with Councilmember Moore’s, I’m not sure I can answer it yet. CM Longoria: Right. I guess my point is and one of our citizens asked the Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 38 of 63 38 question – does us taking action or us not taking action stop any of the behavior that we’re observing right now on the property in question. And the answer to that question is no. What’s happening today is gonna be happening tomorrow. What we do tonight is not gonna impact that. Attorney Ken: That’s my position. The uses that I saw – I’m not saying I’m even troubled by them; I just wanna know more information – were not about a farm winery. CM Longoria: Right, exactly. Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: All right. Any questions? If not, I’ll open it up for a motion. CM Bentley: Mayor, I’d like to make a motion to approve agenda item No. 20- 308. CM Cookerly: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion for approval from Councilmember Bentley with a second from CM Cookerly. CM Cookerly: I wanna clarify exactly what you wanna approve on that. CM Jamison: The presentation has the… CM Moore: Asterisk versus not asterisk striking the one part of the… Mayor Lockwood: So, do you wanna clarify? CM Bentley: Yeah. As presented, I… CM Cookerly: Well, it would be more clear that you just say, “I make a motion to approve the item just with the addition of farm wineries under agricultural-type uses.” So, it will be very clear exactly if that’s what you’re going to propose. CM Bentley: All right, Mayor. I’d like to make an amendment to my motion. Mayor Lockwood: She can go ahead and make a new motion, right? Attorney Ken: Yes, that’s correct. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 39 of 63 39 CM Bentley: Mayor, I’d like to make a motion we approve agenda item No. 20- 308 specific to farm wineries – current farm wineries…? CM Cookerly: No, you just say, “Only to include farm wineries under agricultural-type uses.” CM Bentley: Only to include farm wineries under agricultural uses. Mayor Lockwood: Do I have a second? CM Cookerly: Second. Mayor Lockwood: So, I have a motion as read from Councilmember Bentley with a second from Councilmember Cookerly. Any discussion? All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: Any opposed? That’s unanimous. Tammy, if you’ll please sound the third and final zoning item. Excuse me. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to approve Agenda Item No. 20-308 “Only to include farm wineries under agricultural-type uses.” Councilmember Cookerly seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-1). Tammy: That was. We’re moving on to unfinished. That was the third item. Mayor Lockwood: We’re moving to unfinished business. So, if you would sound… Tammy: Absolutely. Consideration of an ordinance to amend Chapter 4, Section 85, farm wineries of the alcoholic beverages of the code of Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 40 of 63 40 the City of Milton, GA – agenda item No. 20-309. Ms. Sarah LaDart. Sarah: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I believe since council chose to table the earlier agenda item that this one should be tabled as well? Attorney Ken: Withdrawn. Sarah: Withdrawn – sorry. It’s to add that beer and liquor consumption on premises as licenses issued to the farm winery section and alcohol, Chapter 4. So, it’s no longer necessary. Mayor Lockwood: Tammy, do we have any public comment on this? Tammy: No, we do not. No, we do not. Mayor Lockwood: I’ll close that hearing and open up for a motion – or if there’s any questions or discussion? CM Jamison: Mayor, I’d like to make a motion to withdraw agenda item No. 20- 309. CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion from Councilmember Jamison for withdrawal of this item and a second from Councilmember Moore. Any discussion? All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: Any opposed? CM Bentley: Opposed. Mayor Lockwood: That’s six in approval and Councilmember Bentley in opposition for the record. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 41 of 63 41 Motion and Vote: Councilmember Jamison moved to withdraw Agenda Item No. 20-309. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (6-1). Councilmember Bentley was in opposition. Sarah: Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: And I just wanna make just a general comment. I know we had public comment on this. And per our rules, pubic comment is a time for us to hear from the citizens and not a back and forth and answer questions. But for any of those that spoke publicly tonight, please feel free to – after the meeting – reach out to anyone of us or our staff members or email. We’ll be glad to phone call and answer any questions we can on the ongoing situation there and whatnot. If you’ll please read the final unfinished business item. Tammy: The second item is consideration of an ordinance revision to Chapter 46, Article II, Section 46-24 for prohibitions of public and private littering – agenda item No. 20-310. Mr. Robert Drewry. Robert D: Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council again. What you have before you is a revision to the county’s municipal code for littering on private property. Actually, it was initiated by Georgia EPD’s audit of our stormwater permit. They’ve actually told us that we need to adopt the model state ordinance for littering on private and public property. So, the ordinance in front of you is basically the state’s model ordinance. I would like to add just for clarification that since the first reading, we did have to add a paragraph to the code to include construction sites and construction site operators keeping their waste on site. Otherwise, this is a model ordinance. And legal has approved it. I’m available for any questions. Mayor Lockwood: Any questions on that? If not, I’ll open it up for a motion. CM Cookerly: I’d like to make a motion we approve agenda item No. 20-310. CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion for approval from Councilmember Cookerly with a Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 42 of 63 42 second from Councilmember Moore. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous. Let’s move on to new business. Tammy, if you’ll please sound the first item. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Cookerly moved to withdraw Agenda Item No. 20-310. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). NEW BUSINESS Tammy: Consideration of the issuance of a beverage license to L’Amour Nails and Beyond Salon, 850 Mayfield Road, Suite 101B, Milton, GA, 30009 – agenda item No. 20-322. Ms. Bernadette Harvill. Bernadette: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Before you this evening, we have an application for an incidental license. I just wanted to give you a little background on what that is. An incidental is for an establishment that does not serve any food. They also cannot charge for the alcohol. This is where they’re just offering alcohol, either beer or wine. You cannot have any distilled spirits. There are limits to the amounts that can be served. They cannot exceed 16 ounces of wine or 24 ounces of beer within a calendar date to the individual. There are also restrictions on how much money they can spend on the alcohol as opposed to their total gross receipts. It’s at 2%. And Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 43 of 63 43 there are limited hours from 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. So, this would be for L’Amour Nails and Beyond Salon right here in downtown Crabapple. They have met all the requirements, and staff recommends approval. Mayor Lockwood: Is there any public comment on this? Tammy: There’s not, no. Mayor Lockwood: I’ll close the public hearing. Any question? I’ll open up for a motion. CM Bentley: Mayor, I’d like a motion to approve agenda item No. 20-322. CM Jamison: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion for approval from Councilmember Bentley with a second from Councilmember Jamison. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: Any opposed? That’s unanimous. I’ll ask our city clerk to please call the next item. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to approve Agenda Item No. 20-322. Councilmember Jamison seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Tammy: The second item is consideration of the issuance of a conditional alcohol beverage license to Milton Tavern, LLC, at 13800 Georgia Highway 9, Suite 3031, in Milton – agenda item No. 20-323. Ms. Bernadette Harvill. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 44 of 63 44 Bernadette: Milton Tavern is over off Bethany Bend and Highway 9. They are looking to complete construction of their renovations. During that renovation process, we now have an option for them to have a conditional license. This will give them the ability to get their state license and everything in order so they can open up on Day 1 serving their alcohol. They did meet all their requirements, and staff recommends approval. Mayor Lockwood: Is there any public comment on this? Tammy: There is none. I’ll close the public hearing. Is there any questions? If not, I’ll open it up for a motion. CM Bentley: Mayor, I’ll make a motion that we approve agenda item No. 20- 323. CM Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion for approval from Councilmember Bentley – I believe Councilmember Moore was the second – with a second from CM Moore. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: Any opposed? That’s unanimous. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Bentley moved to approve Agenda Item No. 20-323. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 45 of 63 45 Tammy: Our third item is consideration of the issuance of a – I’m sorry – yes, I’m sorry – of alcohol beverage caterer license to ‘Cue Barbecue at 13700 Georgia Highway 9 North in Milton – agenda item No. 20-324. Ms. Bernadette Harvill. Bernadette: All right. ‘Cue Barbecue also off Highway 9 is looking to add a resident alcoholic beverage caterer license. This allows ‘Cue to go to private events or special events and serve the alcohol that they are licensed to serve within their establishment. So, in this case, it would be wine and malt beverages. They do have to submit a subsequent permit request to our city manager for approval for each event. So, we would be notified before the event that they’d be doing that. This is the license to allow them to have the license to do those events. They’re in compliance, and staff recommends approval. Mayor Lockwood: Any public comment, Tammy? Tammy: There are none. Mayor Lockwood: I’ll close the public hearing and open up for any comments, questions, or discussion. CM Moore: Question. Bernadette, just to clarify, I’ll ask your input on two. I wanna host a private party in my home, and I want a caterer. I also want them to serve beer, wine, and spirits. If I were needing a permit for my event. If I was hosting a wedding, I guess, in my backyard – would be a better example, correct? Bernadette: Yes, sir. So, there’s couple of different distinctions here. If the event is still deemed as special event, that location would still need to get their special event approvals through zoning and all of that. If it’s a small private event, that would not require that. ‘Cue would still need to come in and get their permit for that event to serve. In this case, they don’t do distilled spirits, but any resident caterer doing distilled spirits would remit their excise taxes and things like that. CM Moore: And then thinking about the event that took place this last weekend at the farm winery, would ‘Cue have required – they were actually one of the providers of the food. I don’t know whether they did alcohol or not. But using that as the example, they would have had to have pursued a permit to sell the spirits at that event. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 46 of 63 46 Bernadette: That is correct. They are under a temporary currently while this is under advisement for you to approve or disapprove. And they do have to tell us about each event. And then those events are authorized. CM Moore: Great. Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: Questions? I’ll open up for a motion. CM Moore: Mayor, I move we approve agenda item No. 20-324. Mayor Lockwood: Do I have a second? CM Bentley: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion from Councilmember Moore for approval with a second from Councilmember Bentley. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: Any opposed? That’s unanimous. Bernadette: Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: All right. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Moore moved to approve Agenda Item No. 20-324. Councilmember Bentley seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Tammy: Our final item is consideration of a professional services Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 47 of 63 47 agreement between the City of Milton and Charles Abbott Associates, Inc., for building plan review and inspection services – agenda item No. 20-320 – Mr. Robert Buscemi. Robert Buscemi: Mayor, Council, good evening. The city’s current contract for building plan, review, and inspection service is coming to an end. Milton remains committed to customer satisfaction and has gone through an openly competitive request for proposal RFP process in order to select the firm to provide these technical services with the most efficient rate. The RFP was advertised in June of this year, and five responses were received. The responses were assessed by an internal evaluation committee comprised of staff from community development and public works resulting in the selection of this proposal. And it’s the proposal before you tonight from Charles Abbott and Associates. Mayor Lockwood: Are there any questions? I also had some discussions with the city manager and some of you. And in the past, we have asked to look at some other options moving forward for the future. And I would like to give staff a little bit more time to look at those before we enter in to a long-term contract if there’s a possibility that we could have a kind of an extension or whatnot and give us a little bit of time to look at that. Attorney Ken: We’ll have to bring you back, obviously, a contract amendment. But, again, I’m comfortable that that is perfectly in order. Mayor Lockwood: Anybody else? Questions or comments? CM Bentley: So, can you clarify what a contract amendment is? Attorney Ken: Right. So, there’s going to be an existing contract. Right now, we have, I believe, with our current provider, which is SAFEbuilt – and if we want simply to allow additional time to look at bringing this function inhouse or some other option, I would simply work with their attorney or whoever the peer is on the other side and get an extension of their existing contract for some period of time between – I was thinking three and six months, but I’ll take my cue from the city. CM Bentley: Thank you. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 48 of 63 48 Attorney Ken: And just for purposes of the procedure – and, again, I don’t wanna forecast what the council is going to do this evening – but if it is, in fact, you’re not prepared to enter into the contract with the RFP recommendation, then rejection of all the proposals is fully consistent with your purchasing policies. I would only ask that if that’s the motion that’s gonna be made, that you simply [audio cuts out] [01:42:56] that is perceived to be [audio cuts out]. Mayor Lockwood: And I just wanna make a statement that this has no reflection on Charles Abbott or SAFEbuilt. So, no negative reflection or whatever on either firm. But just based on discussions and whatnot and options, we wanna just look at this a little bit harder. So, that would be my recommendation. And, Ken and Steve, you said we could do an extension for six months on the legal side and then make our decisions. So, I don’t know if anybody else has any other thoughts in a different direction, I’m fine with that too to listen to. Attorney Ken: Mayor, in case I wasn’t clear, I don’t wanna do the extension tonight. That is gonna be a separate item. Mayor Lockwood: So, what we would need to do tonight if everybody’s in agreement with that would just reject. CM Cookerly: And what’s the language for the motion? Mayor Lockwood: We would reject at this point the applications or the contracts. Attorney Ken: Well, here’s what I’d recommend. I think the first thing we have to do is we need to reject all the proposals because that is in the best interest of the City of Milton, and then direct staff to work with SAFEbuilt to bring back a six-month amendment to the existing contract. Steve: Ken, the only thing I was thinking just because that’s gonna require a special called meeting, this is gonna be a difficult time to get that done because I’m gonna have to get that done before the 30th. Is there any way that a motion could be made that could authorize us to enter into a contract after six months without having to reassemble the council? Attorney Ken: The problem I’ve got is – that’s really not on the agenda. The contract amendment is not on the agenda. It’s a fair point and that’s probably in any place other than government, that would be the way you do it, but we’re so regimented with respect to our Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 49 of 63 49 agendas. I think that the better play is to reject the proposals that have been tendered and then authorize the return of that contract amendment. Mayor Lockwood: So, Steve, what you’re saying, we’d need a special called meeting before – what’s the date? Steve: Before the end of the month. I’ll turn this around as quickly as I can. Mayor Lockwood: And, again, I’m just asking. Ken, is there any – there may not be – but a way that this could be confirmed at the first next meeting? Attorney Ken: That’s what I was gonna say. I would recommend we simply just have discussions with SAFEbuilt, work out the terms of the contract, understand that the ratification will occur at the first meeting in Milton. Mayor Lockwood: Maybe a few-day window there then. Attorney Ken: I don’t have any problem with that at all. Mayor Lockwood: Joe? CM Longoria: So, it’s better for us to reject the work that’s been done already as opposed to just withdraw this item from discussion tonight? Attorney Ken: Well, the pursing policies give you a couple of options with respect to an RFP process. I’m simply looking at the language in your pursing policies. You can either approve it. You can disqualify, or you can reject the proposals. I think rejection is probably what needs to occur here. You’re clearly not going to accept it is the tenor I’m hearing from the council. Mayor Lockwood: Well, I see Joe’s point. Can you table the – I think what would happen – after this period, the decision would be to – for lack of better terms – put it back out for proposals. CM Longoria: Right. Mayor Lockwood: And the same proposed companies can propose on them. Attorney Ken: It’s challenging though in a solicitation process to table. Proposals get stale. Dollar amounts get stale. Circumstances change. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 50 of 63 50 Steve: That’s right. Mayor Lockwood: And I would say this. I know there’s been a lot of work on some companies that have done this. But maybe I’m wrong, but they probably could just update their proposals – CM Longoria: That’s true. Mayor Lockwood: – with new dates and new dollars if anything changes. It’s not like starting from scratch. CM Moore: No, but to Joe’s point, when my company makes a proposal together in response to an RFP, the proposal has an expiration date. Oftentimes, it’s 30 or 60 days accepted or rejected. If it’s not accepted by the hiring party, our obligation to honor the price point, for example, [audio cuts out] [01:47:39] if we haven’t accomplished what you’re after in 30 or 60 days, it’s entirely possible. And if the RFP response has included language like that, it becomes moot because we would’ve gone beyond the expiration date of their RFP offer. Attorney Ken: Right. I do these from time to time as well as. My private law firm does RFPs. It’s not terribly uncommon for there not to be an award, particularly with an RFP, even different than a bid because an RFP is actually where you’re asking the vendor – tell us your proposal for solving this problem. So, it’s not quite as regimented as a bid and by design has a lot more flexibility put into it. There are some things, depending upon where the council wants to go, we’re going to need to look at with respect to some of your other codes that are implicated in this that may also lend itself to just a rejection on this one. If you all wanna fire this back up in the future and you really don’t change their proposal specs much, then these entities could just resubmit what they submitted the first time, maybe with some clarifications. But I do think your code anticipates sort of a line in the sand, whether an approval or a rejection. Again, it’s not rejection in a pernicious way. It’s simply just the end of the process. That’s all. CM Cookerly: I have a question. So, given the fact that we have latitude as a council, elementary or [inaudible], but why can we not [audio Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 51 of 63 51 cuts out] this company through no fault of this company other than [audio cuts out] perhaps inhouse it. And at the same time, latitude for staff or agreement with [audio cuts out]. Why can’t we wrap those two together? If we have the latitude not to choose a company, then we just don’t choose this one. Attorney Ken: So, I think we’re gonna do everything you just said almost exactly like that, except I am gonna make you come back and ratify it in December. That’s more me and me trying to keep close look on your agendas. CM Cookerly: We’re gonna do it in a regular council meeting. Attorney Ken: Yeah, at a regular council. Yes, it’s gonna be the same effect. CM Cookerly: That’s fine. That’s fine. Mayor Lockwood: We can put that on record, Councilmember. Attorney Ken: Your point’s well taken, and I think the city manager’s gonna have the ability to negotiate it, get it done, put it to bed, and maybe even have the mayor sign it. But it’s just more transparent to have it back in front of this council at a meeting on the published agenda. CM Cookerly: Then I think I just repeated what you just said. Sorry about that. Attorney Ken: No, no. No worries at all. Mayor Lockwood: Tammy, do we have any public comment on this? Tammy: I do not. I’m just double-checking. No, I do not see any hands raised. We don’t have any. Mayor Lockwood: Then I’ll close the public hearing part of this. Are there any questions? CM Cookerly: I’ll be happy to make one if somebody gives me the language for it. Attorney Ken: The key, Councilmember Cookerly, that I was looking for was that you were gonna reject all the proposals. And that is in the best interest of the city and then authorize staff to work with SAFEbuilt for up to a six-month extension of the existing agreement and to bring that back to the first regular meeting in December. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 52 of 63 52 Mayor Lockwood: Talk that through if you want. CM Cookerly: All right. Mayor, I make a motion that we reject all the proposals, professional services agreement, because it’s in the best interest of the city near term. Direct staff for a six-month engagement with SAFEbuilt to bring this back before this council in – Attorney Ken: December. CM Cookerly: – December. August – sorry, that was weird. That’s No. 20-320. CM Moore: Second. Mayor Lockwood: All right. I have a motion as read by Councilmember Cookerly with a second by Councilmember Moore. Are there any discussions? Rick, are you there? CM Mohrig: I am here. Mayor Lockwood: All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Cookerly: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: Any opposed? That passes unanimously then. All right. I will open up to reports. Is there anything that council wants to report on? If not, I’ll open up to staff reports starting with our police. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Cookerly moved to reject Agenda Item No. 20-320. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 53 of 63 53 STAFF REPORTS Department Updates 1. Police Chief Austin: Greetings, Mayor and members of council. I’m happy to report, as we head towards the end of the year, we’re showing significant reductions in crashes. A lot of that is a bit artificial due to COVID and the lower volume of traffic around our city. But we’re down 36% overall. And that includes 37% down in personal injury crashes. So, good news there. We’re 14% down in overall reported crime, including 16% down in persons’ crimes and then 13% down in crimes against property crimes. And then crimes against society were now 22%. We’re pretty active out in the community and trying to be innovative to try to find some things that we can do to remain engaged with the community. One thing that we did that was very well received was a drive through trunk-or-treat. We did that the week before Halloween, and we had cars lined up all the way up School Drive out to Highway 9. We had to get some traffic direction, and we had to make another candy run in the middle. So, it was very well received. So, we appreciate everyone coming out for that. We gave away a lot of safety bags. We gave away junior polices badges and stickers and just really had a good time doing that. Also, we had another successful DEA drug take back. This initiative gets prescription drugs out of circulation. So, we took back quite a bit there and turned those over to the GBI to be destroyed. Lastly, last week we had a Facebook Live presentation. We’ve had over a thousand views of that. So, we covered a lot of material there and have had some very good feedback from the community on that. And that’s all I have this evening. Mayor Lockwood: All right. I’ll [inaudible] [01:54:36] forwarded to the chief and the city manager a compliment from a local resident and business owner that had an issue with a truck and a trailer and all that. And he was just complimenting our officers on not only helping them Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 54 of 63 54 through the situation but blocking traffic and keeping everybody safe. So, pass on the good things. Chief Austin: Great. Thank you for passing that along. We’ll ensure that officer gets recognized for that good work. Mayor Lockwood: He wasn’t sure of his name, but he said he had gray hair. So, I knew it cut a few officers out of [inaudible – crosstalk]. Chief Austin: It’s not me. We’ll track him down. Thank you. STAFF REPORTS Department Updates 1. Community Development Mayor Lockwood: Next, Bob? Robert Buscemiuscemi: Mayor, Council, following the chief is not easy after working every day with him for the last year out there. So, what we’re gonna do a little tonight is – thanks. I wanted to just give you on each one of these maybe a little brief visual overview of things that are going on, projects that you’ve approved in the past and how they’re developing, where they are in the process, and what they look like. I think it’s important to see sort of what things are looking like and how they’re developing so that it kind of helps when you make future decisions to say, “Okay, how does this look?” So, this one here is at Birmingham Corners. There were a lot of conditions of approvals, several pages even of architectural conditions that went on there. So, if you look at the diagram on the upper left, it kind of shows the first grouping of houses that are going in. And this is the grouping in the order that it’s gonna see. And we’re working with the applicant and his architect to come up with the designs that would be in character of the corners and meet all those conditions. So, I kind of wanted to show the council what this is sort of looking like before we give it a final blessing and approval. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 55 of 63 55 CM Moore: Bob, is that the orientation to Birmingham Highway that we’re looking at on the bottom? Robert Buscemi: It is. So, the front would be facing the Birmingham Highway. Actually, I got a lot of interest on the commercial. There’s two commercial parcel offers in retail, and we’re meeting with the applicant tomorrow to start to develop the architectural character of that commercial building. So, that will be in front of this, actually. And the applicant is also – we’re pushing him to finish up the pond and that whole amenity area. So, first, he did the village green, and now he’s doing the back part. So, we’re working on that. CM Moore: Bob, the pond will be a wet pond when it’s finished? Robert Buscemi: So, are you ready? I designed this so that you’d have a smaller pond and a bigger pond, and all the rainwater that Ken was talking about would all go into the smaller pond. And there’s no drain to the small pond. So, what happens is the smaller pond fills up and then cascades over a bed of rocks underneath a boardwalk so it kinda runs down into the larger pond, which will have a permanent water pool. CM Bentley: Bob, I just wanna comment that the landscaping looks great. So, thank you for shaking that loose. For a long time, it’s been kinda stale. Robert Buscemi: It’s been sitting there. CM Bentley: So, thank you. It looks great. Robert Buscemi: I’m hoping the pond will look just as good or better. CM Moore: Bob, one more question – I’m sorry. Robert Buscemi: Yeah, sure. No problem. CM Moore: I had a question from a member of the community recently about Birmingham Crossroads and the lighting plan that’s there. I know that some of the lights were recently installed. And the challenge to me is that the lighting that has now gone in there [audio cuts out] [01:58:57] actually approved. The individual questioning me was actually recalling it being shepherd hook lighting there, not the pendant lighting or whatever you call the kind that is actually in there. Do you know whether shepherd hooks was ever in a Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 56 of 63 56 discussion? I don’t remember. Robert Buscemi: I haven’t seen that. Let me look into that and get out there and take a look at what they’ve installed. CM Moore: Great. Thank you. Robert Buscemi: I’ll go check that tomorrow. And if it’s not correct, we’ll have them fix it. So, this one is the Park at Bethany. Again, this was another one that came in front of the council, and there were some conditions back in ‘14. So, I wanted to show you the rendering. It’s the conceptual rendering that we had developed with the applicant. And now you can see some of the completed buildings on the right side. And they’re right in line with exactly what the rendering looks like. So, I just wanted to show you how that’s looking. I think that development is coming along quite nice. And I wanted you to see the comparison between a rendering and the physical structures as they get built. And you can see these renderings are getting so well done that it really does give you a good reflection of what’s gonna be there. This one here is downtown, right here in our Crabapple Market area. And the center picture is a rendering of how that was gonna look. And now you can start to see some of the development occurring. And, again, all the buildings are pretty much mirroring exactly what the renderings were. So, we spent quite a bit of time looking at these renderings, going through the DRB process, really working with the applicant to get everything down, the style of brick, windows. We really got into this – plazas, how things are gonna really look and feel after this is all built. And you can see it’s all getting built at once. And it’s really getting refined and looking almost identical to what that rendering is gonna be. I really think it’s gonna make quite a nice downtown. So, I just wanted to show you that too. There’s some more pictures of that. So, there’s the rendering up on the upper right corner, and then the actual construction on the lower left. Of course, it’s still in construction. It’s not done yet, but you can see that it’s starting to take the look and feel and shape of exactly what it looks like. So, I think that’s pretty good. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 57 of 63 57 And here’s another one. There’s the rendering on the left. The actual building that’s getting done on the right. They’re just different views looking one way and looking the other, but we’re gonna end up with a really nice street while on Crabapple Road. Yes? CM Bentley: I have a question. That slide prior and that cool sign right there – Robert Buscemi: Yes. CM Bentley: – is that allowed in our sign ordinance? Robert Buscemi: It’s not. CM Bentley: That looks great, but we can’t do it. Robert Buscemi: Right. When we developed this, I really sat down with the applicant. And I said, “Wouldn’t it be really neat to put some signage up? But it’s not a tenant-oriented sign. It’s not the name of the project sign. It just says Crabapple or Downtown Historic Crabapple, something generic that we would see.” And we came up with a whole bunch of options, that being one of them, which is a roof-mounted sign. And it’s sort of something, I think, we’d like to encourage the applicant maybe to pursue some sort of variance process on as long as they maintain it and keep it that way, generic – that it would only indicate that you’re in Crabapple. CM Bentley: Great idea. Robert Buscemi: But it’s nice to get some feedback if the council likes that. Mayor Lockwood: What a great government process. Please do this. But we don’t allow it. We’ll make you go through a whole process. Robert Buscemi: We’ll make you go through a variance to get it. Well, at least they have to work hard to get it. CM Bentley: But having a destination, Crabapple, I hope that we can find a way to do that. It’s a great idea. Mayor Lockwood: Well, it may be something that we talk about. And I’m being facetious on that, a little ironic. But, yeah, maybe in the future so Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 58 of 63 58 that things can be incorporated on that. Robert Buscemi: Yeah. I think it encompasses all of the idea of branding and how we’re gonna brand our downtown, how we’re gonna identify it, how do we really draw people to it? There is quite a bit of thought process that goes into that whole thing. These plazas – how we develop the plazas, how the people are going to interact with them. We’re gonna have little fire pits and overhead lights and things that people can really feel like they wanna come downtown and gather. And in future staff updates, I’d like to show you some other items, other areas. We’re doing a lot more in the Deerfield Corridor that’s coming in now too and things like that. So, I just thought it would be nice to grab one or two or three and just show them at each one so you can kinda get a feel for how things are really truly developing and what they’re looking like. Mayor Lockwood: And, again, a lot of that goes to the comments too about the renderings versus what’s there and all that we briefly discussed. But you guys said you were trying to promote that and if our codes allows, and maybe we need to change it. But in some of these, what looks terrible is when trees are cut down and barren dirt. But just like Birmingham Crossroads, for example, if people had seen a mural in advance of what it’s gonna like, that certainly would be a lot more palatable than just seeing a bunch of trees go down. Robert Buscemi: I did look at that because I know that you mentioned it the last time. And the code does allow us to do that – to eliminate the [inaudible] [02:05:05] and dictates the maximum size and all. But it does allow that. The visuals on the fencing would be considered banners. So, I just have to really work with the applicants to encourage them to get something nice and actually put it up there. And this way, the public can kinda see it. But they’re so close the way they look. I really think that the renderings are gonna really truly depict what it is we’re gonna get at the end of the day in the [audio cuts out] – did I lose this already? CM Moore: I gotta tell you, Bob. I really applaud your efforts. I think back to what we have seen in the past where it was almost like doing a stick drawing thing. This is conceptually what it’s gonna be – where these renderings are so close. It’s a great way to actually promote or come to us with concerns because it’s so close to the Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 59 of 63 59 finished product. I just think that’s [audio cuts out]. Robert Buscemi: And I’ll get yelled at tomorrow if I don’t tell you – I almost forgot. So, in the Birmingham Crossroads, no two houses will be the same. That’ll be good, right? Unknown Female: Thank you, Bob. Robert Buscemi: Thank you. Robert Buscemi: No, no. That was my group. So, we sat with the applicant. And I’m sitting there. And I’m like – look, these all look great. But it’s such a unique corner. I just don’t wanna see these things get duplicated. I want every house to be special and unique. And it is a special unique corner. And we got them to agree to that, which was really good. CM Moore: I also applaud your effort at Birmingham Crossroads. It appears in the interest of public safety, you may have weighed in also where the sidewalks, as they were originally installed, had some of the posts right smack in the middle of the concrete. That concrete was then broken up and removed, and the sidewalk was re-poured where you actually walked around the pole rather than into the pole. Nice work. Robert Buscemi: All right. I’ll just give you some other fun facts here quick. We did a Rivers Alive. Volunteers went out on Saturday, November 7th. Teresa said that she totally complied with COVID. They had a much smaller group than they normally do. So, they didn’t get quite as much done as they normally do. But she said it was very good. They went to the city’s Cooper Sandy greenspace, which she wrote is not open to the general public as of yet, just so people know that. But the event went very well. So, I thought that was good. We’re trying to keep those events going. I think they have a good impact on our environment. Comprehensive plan, CPAC – we had a November 10th meeting. We have two members of the council who sit on that committee. I thought the meeting went well, and we’re really trying to progress and get some good feedback. We’re having the public kickoff meeting on December 10th at 6 Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 60 of 63 60 p.m. via Zoom. So, we’d like to encourage all Milton residents to attend. They sent out a community survey. She wrote – we’ll also be launched in advance of the public meeting, and it will remain open at least through the end of the year. So, they’re doing a survey. We’re trying to get more public participation. So, CPAC is really moving along. And the last meeting I attended, and I think the committee is really focusing and in tune. We’ve got a lot of talent in this city, and it’s really nice to see. So, a little kick for the committee – they’re a very talented people there. Mayor Lockwood: Can I make a comment too on that with the plan. Robert Buscemi: Sure. Sorry. Mayor Lockwood: Thank you to the two council members that are on the CPAC committee and all that. I know it’s a lot of time and hard work and of real importance. So, thank you, Paul and Laura – CM Moore: You’re welcome. Mayor Lockwood: – for sitting on there along with, obviously, Bob and staff and Steve and everybody else and all of our other members on there. CM Moore: And if I could make a comment on that, Joe – Bob, we’re welcoming you to the team in your new role, and we look forward to the contribution that you’re going to make to CPAC. It’s gonna be spectacular, and you’ve demonstrated your prowess on that time and time again. But I would also like to personally thank Steve Krokoff for the role that you’ve played, Steve. When we think back to where we are in this process, we did put a pause on it at one point because we felt like our initial launch wasn’t at the standard that we had set from CPACs in the past. And he was not only a willing participant, but he decided to play a leadership role in helping us to get here. And it’s through his leadership that we’ve been able to position ourselves for the success that I know we have in front of us. So, thanks, Steve. Mayor Lockwood: All right, Bob, go ahead, but thanks for the comments. Robert Buscemi: Other things would be upcoming developments. I just wanted the council to be aware that Trophy Club came in. It’s a golf course. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 61 of 63 61 And we’re working with those applicants. We’ll see where it goes. But right now, we’re pushing towards large lot subdivisions for a minimum of 4 to 5 acres. I’m hoping to get the 5-acre lot sizes in there. And it’s 180 acres. So, we’re probably looking at maybe 32 lots. So, I think that will come out quite nice. CM Moore: Is the club closed at this point? Or is it still acting as a golf course? Robert Buscemi: That I don’t know. I think it’s closed at this point, isn’t it? It’s still operating? CM Moore: I heard conflicting reports about it this weekend, and that’s why I was asking – for clarification. I heard both that it was open and that it was closed. Robyn: They informed us that the plan is, I think, to close by 1st September of 2021 and to move the members over to Crooked Creek. So, they would allow the current members time to transition over. So, it’s not that it’s closed right now or anytime in the near, near future. CM Moore: Great. Robyn: But there is a plan for transitioning. CM Moore: Great. Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: And I don’t know when the right time is but [audio cuts out] [02:11:55]. The city did purchase Milton Country Club with greenspace funds. But, obviously, those are limited, and I’m just talking out loud. I don’t know if we’d need to do a [audio cuts out] or whatever but with what [audio cuts out]. I know some people might say, “Well, we don’t want this or blah, blah, blah, right.” Well, the country club has the right to sell the property and develop under the existing zoning rules. Robert Buscemi: That’s right. Mayor Lockwood: It’s not something we as council or staff stop them from selling their property and development. We might just have to clarify that a little bit. Robert Buscemi: Robyn, you wanna stay up here because I’ve got some – while Robyn’s here, she does all my text amendments. So, she can take credit for these. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 62 of 63 62 So, with the large lot subdivisions, right now we limit them to a maximum of five lots. And, honestly, when I looked at it initially back then when it was developed, I think everybody was saying, “Well, let’s see how it works and plays out and whatnot.” But, realistically, when these kind of developments come in – and I’ve had others – I don’t wanna be limited to just the five lots. I think we can get many more lots. If there are large lots, why limit them? So, we’re gonna be putting in a text amendment to just make that an unlimited amount because if somebody comes in and says, “I have 100 acres, and I want all five-acre lots,” I’d hate to not offer him the incentive. So, that’s a text amendment that we’ll be presenting to you. And then the last text amendment will just be the verbiage for the pools in the front yards on the flag lots. So, that will be Robyn’s thing. All right. That’s it. Thank you. Mayor Lockwood: All right. Thank you, guys. Thanks, everybody. If there’s nothing else, I’ll make a motion to adjourn. CM Moore: So moved. CM Bentley: Second. Mayor Lockwood: I have a motion and a second to adjourn. All in favor please say “aye.” CM Jamison: Aye. CM Bentley: Aye. CM Moore: Aye. CM Longoria: Aye. CM Mohrig: Aye. Mayor Lockwood: That’s unanimous with the exception of Councilmember Cookerly with a no vote. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:00 pm Page 63 of 63 63 Motion and Vote: Councilmember Longoria moved to adjourn the city council meeting at 8:14 pm. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (6-0). Councilmember Cookerly was absent for the vote. Date Approved: December 7, 2020 __________________________________ _____________________________ Sudie AM Gordon, City Clerk Joe Lockwood, Mayor Duration: 134 minutes