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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes - CC - 07/10/2023.Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Pagel of 60 CALL TO ORDER Mayor Jamison: Thank you. I would like to call regular meeting of the Milton City Council for Monday; July IOth, 2023, to order. The city strongly recommends that you review tonight's agenda. carefully and if you wish to speak on any item .on the agenda, then please bring. your comment cards to the Clerk as soon as. possible. While the Milton rules allow a speaker to turn in a comment card. up until the Clerk calls. the agenda item., one the agenda item is called, no more comment cards can be accepted. Will the City Clerk please call the roll and make general announcements. ROLL CALL City Clerk: Good. evening, Mayon and Council.. I'll be happy to call roll for the July loth, 2023, regular city council. meeting. I would like to remind those in attendance to please silence all cell phones. at this time. Those attending the meeting. who would. like to make :a public comment, you are required to complete a public cornment card prior to the item being called. All speakers will identify yourself by name, address, and. organization before beginning your comment. If you are representing. an. organization; an affidavit is. required stating you have this authority to speak on behalf of that. organization. Please review tonight's agenda and if you would like to. make a comment, please bring your comment. cards to me now.. Demonstration of any sort within the. chamber is prohibited..Please refrain from any applause, cheering, booing outburst, or any dialogue with any person. speaking. Anyone in violation will be asked to leave. As I call roll this evening, please confirm your attendance. Mayor Peyton. Jamison? Mayor Jamison:. Here.. City Clerk: Councilmember Andrea Verhoff? CM Verhoff: Here, City Clerk: Couacilmember Paul Moore? CM Moore: Here. City Clerk: Councilmember Juliette Johnson? Regular Meeting of the Milton City.Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 3 of.60 Mayor Jamison: Okay, I. have a motion from Councilmember Moore and a second from Councilmember Johnson to approve the amended meeting agenda.. All in favor, please say aye. Councilmembers: Aye.. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Moore moved to approve. the Meeting Agenda with the following amendments: Move Agenda. Item No. 23-168 to immediately follow the. Consent Agenda. Adel on. Executive Session to discuss Lard Acquisition,. Potential Litigation, and Personnel. Councilmember Johnson seconded the motion.. The motion passed (7-0). CONSENT AGENDA Mayor Jamison: Any opposed? That's unanimous, okay,. next is general public continent. Do we have any general.public comment? City Clerk; I do not have any general public comment, .Mayor. Mayor Jamison: Okay..So, waive public comment and I will ask you to call the next item please. City Clerk:: Mayor, the next item are the consent agenda items. Item A, approval of the June 1.9th, 2023, Regular City Council Meeting Minutes; it's agenda item number 23=161. Item B is approval of the Financial Statements & Investment Report for the Period S — February 2023, agenda item number, 23- 162.. C is approval of the Financial Statements & Investment Report for Period 6 — March 2023., agenda item number 23-163..D is approval of a Construction Services Agreement between the City of Milton and Continental. Entrance Solutions, LLC, dba Liberty Door Repair for the replacement of doors to Council. Chambers and the Administrative Lobby at Milton City Hall. It's agenda item number 23-164.. Regular Meeting .of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 5 of.60 CM Jacobus: Thank you. It. is my pleasure this evening to nominate Taylor Smith to. represent District 3 for the Milton Trails Committee. We're extremely fortunate to have an .individual with Taylor's background and experience to volunteer to serve on this committee. Taylor and his family moved to. Milton six years ago to. enjoy our rural community. Currently, Taylor is the Park Services Manager for the city. of Roswell, where he leads a. group of 60 individuals... He has extensive experience with the development, construction, and maintenance of trails. I believe that his insight in this important area will make him an extremely valuable member of the Trails Committee in Milton. Thank. you. Mayor Jamison: Thank you, Councilmember. Jacobus,. Any discussion before we open it.for.a motion? Okay. I'll open it for a motion. CM Moore: Mr. Mayor, we accept.Councilmember. Jacobus's recommendation. for the Trails Committee. CM Cookerly. Second. .n. Mayor Jamison: Okay. I have a motion from Councilmember Moore and a second from Councilmember Cookerly to approve Taylor Smith as a District 3, Post I Committee Member: to the Trails Committee which is agenda item number 23-168. Any discussion on the motion? All in favor, please say aye. Councilmernbersc Aye, Motion and Vote: Councilmember Moore .moved to approve the appointment of Taylor Smith to. the Milton T..rails Advisory Committee for District 3/Post 1, Agenda Item No. 23-168, Councilmember Cookerly seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). Mayor Jamison: Any opposed? That's unanimous.. Taylor;. come on up, I'll swear you in and then we'll do a group picture. Do you solemnly swear or affirm Mr. Smith: I do solemnly swear.and affirm -- Mayor Jamison: That I will faithfully perform the duties of --- Mr. Smith: That I will faithfully perform the duties of — Mayor Jamison: The Milton Trail. Advisory Committee of the city — Regular Medting of the Mliton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 7 of 60 exemplifies the best of this sport, as: well as the best of that school .and the greater Milton.eomrnunity. And whereas the Bears Boys and Girls team recently completed their greatest collective season on record;. whereas for the first time in school history, both Cambridge High's boys and girls teams won regional titles. besting five competitors each in Region 6 of the Georgia High School Association's 5A Division and whereas these athletes went on to excel at,sectionals and eventually, the SA State Championship held from May 11th to the 13th in. Columbus, GA. And whereas Cambridge girls finished second at state, scoring their most points ever and while the boys had their own highest ever point total and placed 6th.. And whereas Julia and Lila Verlouse won individual state titles while numerous Bears. set school records. over the course of their impressive 2023 campaign. And. whereas Milton is proud of all of these athletes' accomplishments, it is: importantly their excellence in the classroom and. for. being outstanding young citizens. Now, therefore we, the Mayor, the City Council, and the City of Milton, hereby recognize and celebrate the Cambridge High School Girls. and Boys Track &. Field Teams for their remarkable achievements and great representation of our community. This is given under our hand: and seal from the City of Milton, Georgia, on this 1 Oth day of July 2a23. .[Appfause/Photos Taken] Mayor Jamison: Okay,. will the City Clerk please sound the next item? City Clerk: Mayor, that next item is. the Fiscal. Year.2024 Budget Preparation: Discussion of the Five Year Forecast, Our Deputy City Manager,. Bernadette Harvill. Ms. Harvill: Good: evening, Mayor and Council. Tonight we are going to continue. with our series of budget preparation and feedback :presentations. This will be the sixth meeting in our series arid -we'll .focus .on discussions related to operating. expenses. The objective of these. meetings have been to engage council early in the budget process in order to obtain feedbaek and guidance: In. meetings one. through four, we discussed the phasing of some of our major capital projects;, and in .Tune we met for the fifth time and discussed economic development initiatives. that will inform our projections Regular Meeting of the. Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 9 of 60 council with context and information related to each of these initiatives. There are many sustainability related. initiatives incorporated. throughout our plans. Some of them have. budgetary implications,. while others do not. Sara, Emily, and David have worked to organize these initiatives under three main categories recycling and solid waste management, electric vehicles and energy savings, and green infrastructure, stormwater, and land protection. The feedback we are seeking on each. initiative is the same used for the economic development at. our last meeting. You can see the scale located. here 'number 1-4 with one being the highest priority and staff should aim to address this. in the FY20-24 budget and include any potential funding within that proposed projection. Number two being a moderate. priority with staff including funding if needed in the FY2025-2028 projections. Number three being.a low priority with any funding needed being contemplated .in the future year past the five-year forecast. And finally, number four being. an initiative that council would.not.like to pursue and would like removed from the plan -regardless of any funding needs. As Sara, Emily, and David present, I will take notes as we have in the past few presentations so we can came back to you with a plan that incorporates all that feedback. I'll hand it over to Sara.. Ms. Leaders: Good evening. I'll start with highlighting a list: of sore of the short-term. work program projects that have already been completed and we wanted to list the project number with. it. It just is a number . assigned through the comprehensive plan, so every time you see an S.3, S.4, those. are just identified projects from the comprehensive plan. This is a list of what we've completed. These are — most of these had limited or no cost related to the project and they were primarily completed with staff time and some needed city attorney review time to implement. So, I'll be.. happy to come hack to any of. these you want to hear more about but I just wanted to show what's been completed so far. Related to current and future budget considerations, .as well as working towards the short-term work program, Public Works staff recognizes the following needs and purpose of the proposed projects to address these needs. So, under recycling and solid waste management, what we're seeing here is a: need here from what we've heard back from the community related to dissatisfaction Regular Meetingof the Milton City Council Monday, .July 10, 2023 Page 11 of 60 objective one of the strategic plan -- to identify opportunities. to improve the managerent, solid waste collection aligns. with sustainable best practices. In the next few slides., Pd like to review the feedback and support. we've gathered over the last year, starting with the National Community Survey. Respondents were asked to rate the quality of Milton's recycling and yard waste services, In 2022, only 35%a of respondents were satisfied with recycling. and yard waste, only slightly higher at.45%. Now, it's noticeable that this dissatisfaction could be related to labor shortages coming out of the year 2020.. Last year, we also offered a. staff -led survey which gained a tot of traction with over 650 responses. In this question 92% of respondents generally supported city -funded sustainability projects and initiatives. This support can also be felt in ,our successful glass. recycling program. This photo on the left shows excitement and engagement regarding some new educational signage and accessible stairs at our glass bin at Memorial Park and on the right, you'll see data gathered during the planning process for the comprehensive plan. At that time, 71 % of respondents. were unsatisfied withtheir current services and 95% of respondents were in. favor of further collection opportunities. Regarding this feedback, staff is proposing an updated and solid waste management plan with funding for industry expertise: This plan would include elements such as improving curbside collections, :ongoing events,. expanding our recycling options, and the opportunity to. collect farm, horse, and yard waste. It. would also support public education and involvement to empower residents with confidence and reliability in our services. Milton's .first and only plan was adopted in 2009 and. expired in 20.18. Milton has. grown since then and landfill capacity has changed and we're continuing to improve and manage our inhouse options for recycling. If supported, staff. could engage the Sustainability Advisory Committee and complete the plan by 2025. With an updated plan, Milton can continue to grow and support its residents while providing quality services for all. I'll stop here for initial. questions and feedback regarding our updated plan for FY24. Staff is looking for planning support and assistance from the Sustainability Advisory Committee. It's also important to note that. the next few slides. may also be incorporated into an updated proposed plan. Regular Meeting of'the Milton.City Council Monday, July 10, 2.023 Page 13 of 60 CM Cookerly: Yeah, gotcha. Okay. Mr. Botelho: Yep. CM Jacobus: Emily, could you go to the next slide? This slide here where the City of Milton financially support. So, they reply yes that they would like the city to financially support that,. but what we don't add to that is whether they're willing to pay Higher taxes in. order to do that. Ms. Groth: Right. CM Jacobus:: So, one of my concerns aboutwhen we do these type questions, you. don't give them the option of saying would you be willing. to do this if it meant the millage rate would go up and you'd have to pay higher taxes. l think we have to get that buy in. Of course, everybody would like a better service :but are they willing to pay for it themselves. Ms. Groth: Right: Mayor Jamison: Emily; are there any decision points that :you want us directly right now? Or is that later? Ms. Groth: We're hoping for some guidance to move forward with a. proposed and recommended plan so we can kind of roll through the other slides that may play into. the plan. Then we can kind. of group is all together at the end. Mayor Jamison: So,. is there like a dollar amount.on. that plan. or is that...? Ms. Groth: What's that? Mayor Jamison:. Is there a dollar amount. on the plan! Or... Ms. Groth: Yeah, so in.FY24, proposing funding. expertise at $35,000 00. Mayor Jamison: Okay. And that $35,00.0.00. includes what exactly? Ms. Groth: Data gathering for current data,: based on population, economic growth, landfill capacity, traffic patterns, :municipal tonnage annually by residents very data driven to be able to make better decisions. It would be a piece of the. pie with this graphic here, it would. also — Regular Meeting of th..e Milton City Council. Monday; July 10, 2023 Rage 15 of 60 CM. Moore: Okay. So, in that case, of course I would support the $35,000.00 because it allows you to,go forward to be able to make`a legitimate assessment with all the professionals that you need, plus. the .community input to make it Happen. Ms. Groth: Right, yeah.. CM.Moore.: And thatwould be my Mayor Jamison: It's almost like you gotta do that first — CM Moore: Right: Ms. Groth: Min-hmm. Mayor Jamison: Then everything else can come. CM.Moore: Otherwise you're spinning your wheels guessing and you don't have the professional. input that you need to make good decisions. And you can use solid waste as the example, We know that. one of the considerations in a rural community like we've got is a solid waste. single provider that's got to be able to meet the, needs of our equestrian community and. do the long. driveways in some of these state homes that we've got, etc. etc. You got... we gotta take some of those things into consideration without the ability to go forward with that funding, you're not going to come up. with a reasonable result. So of course I support the $35,000.00. CM Mohrig: I'd suggest too; when you look at that when you do the survey, ..look at what other cities are currently doing, find out what the success rate is; find out the number of complaints because I've owned property where we have a single waste hauler and I know some of the challenges that you run into. I also know; I've Beard what comes to the city then when somebody doesn't pick it up on. the day. So, I just ask that you look at existing cities that are doing and how well that's working as part of that study. CM Moore: If I could build on. that too. Not just. existing: cities in the surrounding area, but other similar communities that. we've looked At in the past that are... have'some equestrian similarities. That kind of consideration. Ms. Harvill: May I ask: for just clarification that we're okay in 2024 to be including that $35,000.00? Thank you. Regular Meeting.o'F the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 17 of.60 guidance to. move forward with those conversations, I think we could continue that discussion. CM Mohrig: I ipean, to me it makes it — it may make. sense if we can, in fact, get .cooperation like we do with our police and our fire. Ms. Groth: Right. CM Mohrig Maybe something like that from a regional standpoint maybe with. a few cities; I'm sure there's more efficiency than us trying to run.. our. own. A city of our size, 1. think that's part of it would be interesting to see the. economic numbers back and what options. Mayor Jamison: Councilmember Mohrig, I've met with Mayor Wilson three times probably .in the last 18 months asking him that. question, so I know staffs trying to. find a win/win with Roswell, but ifsbecoming difficult. CM Cookerly: And so the ask here is exactly what? Ms. Grath: So, we kind of don't really have — we need to continue conversations with staff about any budgeting impact on both cities, really rough numbers. Right now 'it's just kind. of conversation based..But for this one., could be interesting FY24 for funding to move forward with a program like. this or the next frve.years, kind of tying into Bernadette'.s general prioritization of a. potential program. CM Jacobus: I have a question. Have we had. any conversations with John's. Creek and Alpharetta regarding the three of us developing our own recycling center that all. three .could use? Has that been discussed at all or considered? Ms. Grath: We haven`t specifically talked Milton, Alpharetta, and. John's. Creek. I know John's Creek utilizes a.nonprofrt called. Keep North Fulton Beautiful. They operate recycling centers in: John's Creek and Sandy Springs, so they kind of have their own operation. going. As far as Alpharetta, I haven't talked with Alpharetta specifically about going in on something like this.. They utilize -a lot of.their land off of like Maxwell Road and their public works: buildings for infrastructure that they have going on. Attorney Jarrard: Councilmenmbers too,. I might be out of my league a little here but I will .saythat Forsythe just entered into a. 90 day pilot program with Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday,.Juiy 10, 2023 Page 19 of.60 about this .coveted fall %event. What's most felt in the community regarding this event is the limited access to participation. It's expensive to dispose of these materials and last year we had about 220 registrations. This can be off set. in the future through cost. share opportunities and additional events to divert. just paint, which is the event's most popular material. Additionally, we provide an engaging Earth Day every spring that allows our :communities to interact and learn from impactful organizations and we support our local schools with an environmental education grant. And at.minimalcost to the city, we. oversee the river spring clean-up, Christmas tree recycling, storm drain marking; the adopt a road program, and electronics recycling. These events.help to create a lasting impact in. the community and engage residents in their city's investment. towards a clean rural Milton. Improvements: and expansions to these programs can be accomplished through an updated plan and with the engagement. of a Sustainability Advisory Committee. I'll stop here for feedback. regarding: this planning element and to include any additional. events. or cost sharing opportunities, most notably for the paint and hazardous waste collection event. CM Jacobus: The paint is a real pet. peeve of mine because I . get a lot of calls from all the people who can't get in. So, my recommendation would be that we don't do it for free. That if you bring a one gallon can, you pay X. If you bring a five gallon drum, you pay X. And maybe we can off -set some of that cost but I think. more people are. interested in having a place to go — Ms. Groth: Right.. CM Jacobus: Not necessarily having to pay for it. I think most of them would be more than willing to pay if they could go. So,. if we. can expand that by charging for it, I think we should. I think that would make more sense and I think we'd help more citizens that way. CM Verhoff. Mm-hmm and: have it multiple times or at least tviwice a year. I'd be willing.... yeah. CM Moore: That 220 last time, Emily,. that was capped. That was 220 because.... CM Jacobus: It was full in an hour. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday,.July 10,.2023 Page21 of 60 CM Mohrig: And. if it's �1.00 or something,. they may be willing to do it. Schedule it, get in line;. do it several times a. year.. That may be a good idea. Ms: Groth: Absolutely. So, the last talking point related to this first topic. of solid and waste managernent is the Sustainability Advisory Committee with no budget consideration. This committee. can support. the events that we just talked about, future projects like: green communities, and proposed planning initiatives. We do have one appointed member and staff has the opportunity to assist in further appointment recommendations. This group would be beneficial in keeping Milton clean and green while. still advocating for the rural heritage that our residents enjoy. So to close; there are several related projects that have the opportunity to expand with the guidance of a plan and support from the council and resident -led committee:. So, I understand that was a rather comprehensive overview, so I'll stop here for any outstanding questions and general guidance related to this committee. Mayor Jamison: I think you just need us to appoint. people, is that correct? Is that what you're saying in a .nice way? CM Moore: But if you happen to Have resources available to suggest, we would certainly appreciate that because we know that there's particular, at least base level knowledge that .you'd like to have as pair of the committee and that isn't easy to find. Ms. Groth: That's right... That's right,. yep. Representation of Milton's user groups like folks that live on gravel roads, farm owners, that would be important to include, Okay. Bernadette, do you have everything for...? All right, so we started with a little more complex project first. Using a similar format,. we'll discuss the prioritization of electric vehicles and other energy efficient initiatives. We'll be discussing Ev infrastructure or charging stations on public and private property in Milton and a proposed ordinance. to support that. group. We'll also discuss energy sayings through efficient: suite and facilities: These projects are driven by various goals inthe comprehensive and strategic plan, most notably S.1 to identify cost -neutral city investment opportunities and renewable Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council. Monday, .July 10, 2023 Rage 23 of 60 Ms. Groth: So, it's kind of worked out through a contract with the utility and the EV energy company. Sometimes you can just provide. the host site, just provide. access. Other times you can kind of work out different options for access and maintenance. CM Mohrig:. I know we had a little discussion on this last time.. The concern I have is I don't want: to start subsidizing energy for :certain sectors for people that can afford or have the . chargeable vehicles. I don't think that's our role to actually pay for that.. I'm all for renewable energy, energy systems that make sense Ms.. Groth: Right. CM Cookerly: I know Councilmember Cookerly last time talked about the whole impact to the environment for°electric. vehicles and batteries, That's — we don't hear about that often, we. just hear oh this is good, it's better, but there's another side of it that we're not talking. about. My immediate concern would be I. don't want to see us subsidizing power for one type of vehicle, taxpayer dollars going to just: those Mks. I don't think that's the way to go. CM VerhofF Do we know how many electric vehicles are registered in: the City of Milton? Ms. Groth: I don't know how many electric vehicles are registered: I can find out for you. We do have two stations right,now in Milton. CM Verhoff: Okay. CM Moore: Emily, is the ask — if I understood it correctly, there's the grant application program that could potentially pay for this study. Ms. Groth: Right: CM Moore: That's going to take place first and short of that, will that happen, the award or not award happen fast enough that we know whether we. need to be funding. ourselves for the study? Or how — what's the number..one, number two in terms. of steps? Ms. Groth: So, I think we can take. independent courses if we're interested in the demonstration project. We can work that out. through an RFP with all of those one, two, three options and: kind of test it. out and gain more info on who uses the power, who pays for the power,.. and things like that. That could. be an independent track, just a one; Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 25 of 60 So, last. talking point .on my end, there's no immediate .budget consideration. This is a related project:to support. this growth. We can explore' ordinances for public and mixed -use developments. Some comparable ordinances include the City of Atlanta and the City of Alpharetta regulating either the percentage or number of parking spaces that require a charging station. Right now, Milton has two stations located. at the Bethany Bend Publix and. Kohl's. So, an ordinance or charging station can be achieved together or independently based on available funding and prioritization: I'll. stop here to discuss the interest in an ordinance and after that, I'll pass this to our Facilities Manager; David.. Bergmaier to discuss other energy saving efficiency projects. Mayor Jamison: I'm going to hand it over to Councilman Moore. He's whispering, I'm like that makes sense. CM Mohrig: I would just think, what we talked about with. the study, if you can get the funding, my recommendation would be we do that first. before we really consider like what are we going to do for parking percentages. and that type of thing. Let's find out a little bit more detail before we: go down that path. Mayor Jamison: Yeah, I: think once we: get all the data and everything;. we'll be. better yeah. Council okay with that? Councilmembers: Yeah. Mayor Jamison:. Okay. Cool. Ms. Grath: Thank you, all. CM Jacobus: Thank you. Mayor Jamison: Thanks, Emily. Appreciate it.. .CM Verhoff Good stuff Mr. Bergmaier. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm going to touch on a few topics regarding city facilities and fleet. The first opportunity is related to fleet sustainahility. In order to achieve outcome measure of reducing EPA mileage here every year, we're proposing a development of a policy to guide future fleet vehicle purchases. Similar fleet policies: I've seen. include purchasing: hybrid vehicles when: function is impacted and total life cycle costs are within 1 Q%o Regular Meeting of the. Milton City Council Monday, .July 10, 2023 Page 27 of 60 CM Mohrig: $60,000 or $80,000. would just. be to get a fleet management .software program and start looking at how we would manage our vehicles? Mr.. Bergmaier: That $60,000 to $80,000isn't related to the fleet. These are three — I grouped three different. topics together. So, the asset management system, that would be the $60,000-80,000.00. We could incorporate utilizing that. for fleet but we do already have a fleet management system, so that's unrelated. Ms. Harvill: So, this would be like the facilities and the ability for someone. to put in a ticket so our facility manager could 'oversee and know exactly what's going on at all the fire. stations, the police department, `and all the parks and recreation buildings and be able to determine. sooner if something is: going on there. as opposed. to our Excel spreadsheets. CM Mohrig: That's asset management,: that would include building repairs., anything that happens at any of our different facilities where we need repair including potentially fleet — Mr. Bergmaier: Correct. It would help us better track our assets and how 'much. we're spending and hove much time we're spending to maintain those assets. CM Mohrig: Okay, thank you. CM Moore: Do you think that the investment is going to be offset by the savings and: if so, what kind of return and how quickly? A& Bergmaier: We think there's definitely value and we definitely believe the value exceeds the cost. I don't have specifics on are we gonna save so many dollars based on where we're tracking and how much time we're spending or . how much money we're spending but it would allow us to track that better. because we don't have a. good system - CM Moore: No, I get that part. I mean., $60,000.00 is not an insignificant amount — Mr.. Bergmaier: Correct. CM Moore: —And— Ms. Harvill: Can I.point out on other quick thing? Sara mentioned about all of our infrastructure, so all of our roads, stormwater features, Regular Meeting of the. Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page.29 of 60 Mr. Bergmaiev. Okay. And then lastly, are we in. favor of the asset management system? CM Jacobus; Yes. Mr, Bergmaier: In the range of $60,000-8.0,000 for FY24. Yep. All right. Mayor Jamison: You get a grand slain there. Mr. Bergmaier: Appreciate it.. I'll turn it back over to Sara. Ms. Harvill: WeW.in the home stretch. Ms. Leaders: Last one and Scott. Tkach, our City Engineer, is here to help me if l misspeak on any of these. He's the expert related to stormwater but we feel like these are more policy; -based decisions and we'll get into each of these three that we don't see immediate financial .impacts on any of these projects.: First of all, related to Green Infrastructure and no immediate budget considerations, and what the Comp Plan recommended was a city-wide green infrastructure policy and green infrastructure can be looked at in four different. areas. First. is how it handles rainwater from rainwater harvesting to bioretention areas. and rain gardens justa: way to control rainwater without piping or underground systems. With landscaping, it's also .related to. these rain gardens or using swells with plantings to Handle just some water runoff. In hardscape, it's looking at pervious surfaces.--- landscaped areas, in transportation projects it's maybe doing stormwater drainage in a landscaped area versus in an underground pipe, And then related to: buildings, it's looking at green roofs and how the gutters on a building drain into a more natural area. And then, the second part of the comp plan was based on.the green infrastructure policy.is to set certain goals related to that. I'm not quite sure what that could.look like, so it's just a.matter of is this an important topic that you would like us. to come back and discuss some policy and ordinances we could look at to encourage and use green infrastructure and related to those policy and.ordinances, that — if we're looking at that city wide, it could have. effects across how we handle new city buildings' when we :do. facility .improvements. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday; July 14; 202.3 Page 31 of 60 still doing. in the subdivisions along the street to encourage people to be a little'bit more ecologically minded when they're cleaning up around their house instead of. just blowing stuff down that thinking it just goes away? Ms. Leaders: Yes, we .have a.:storrn drain marking program that we utilize. volunteers to go and mark those. and we're trying to redo that. program a tittle bit to make them rnore.visible. We currently have a. real small sticker that goes on the catch basins that we're also looking at a custom lid that would say City of Milton and have our -logo on it and then about drains to stream and we're. working on. a couple different ways to improve that but we do have the storm drain marking program as part of our MS-4 permit that that's one of our inea.sures is that we do go out and. mark those routinely. CIIM.Mohrig: Is that something you had said volunteer,. like if we had a subdivision that wanted to. do that, if there were people that were interested helping out if there's .glue and a few other things, not just self adhesive, is that something we could talk to you about? Ms. Leaders: Oh yes,. definitely. CM Mohrig: Okay, thanks. Mayor Jamison: Anything else`? All right. Ms.. Leaders: Okay so well talkgreeninfrastructure at. some point in the. future: CM. Cookerly: Thanks Sara. Ms. Leaders: All right. And related to that, the stormwater component of this item does. overlap a little bit with green. infrastructure but this also looks. at land protection investments. Like the other one, there's no. immediate budget considerations and. this: is also a comp. plan project that recommended city wide updates to stormwater and land protection. In the land protection components related to this are .like the wetlands areas and slopes and we have some codes and ordinances. in place related to protection of state slopes but looking at a more best practice for how wetlands are protected. It also looks at some possible policies related to where the .groundwater can reach back. to the water table and recharge and then water harvesting and reuse, that's kind of related to the stormwater control to reuse the Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 33 of 60 rates are, different residential versus commercial, if it's based on impervious area or a flat fee, and then looking at where we can apply credits Who install green infrastructure and aren't contributing as muchto the new piping systems. Sa, really for this upcoming year with all that we have going on in public works, we're recommending to hold on this for the upcoming year and possibly revisit in '25, or if you all are interested inexploring it at all — I did want to point but. it is an option under the strategic plan. It. somewhat gives us another revenue source to consider in the. future, but just, wanted to get direction if there's interest to hold it for a year, hold it for multiple years, or to not consider it any further, so. CM Cookerly: I'd say it depends on your workload. I mean, the: team's workload. What's your recommendation? CM Jacobus: Hold it. Ms. Leaders: Definitely hold it at least one year. Mayor Jamison: You had those priority lists, it would be on the bottom so. we can get rid. of the other stuff first. Ms. Leaders: Okay. CM Mohrig: And maybe you'll have more data too on — because today, out of our city taxes. general fund,, we are doing the repair to infrastructure. I'd be interested when you comet/ that. paint; what is. the cost, what are we finding because a lot of our area, call it rural but it's a lot of subdivisions where :it goes into streams. You may have the street collectors, but then it goes into a stream and it goes into a detention pond and today the subdivisions are,.. at great expense are. the ones that are maintaining the detention ponds. So before we start, assessing additional takes and that's what this would be; I'm all for putting it off but then gather more data 'of what our operating costs are to see if it makes sense to still cover it without having to assess a new fee on residents. I think that would get a. little bit tricky because if you're in a city and it's all paved and its but that's not what we have. A lot of ours.. are more. rural and subdivisions. Attorney Jarrard: I'll offer a couple comments on this and I know we're not. doing anything on it. ,It lookslikewe're going to set:it:off, but I've been at Regular Meeting .of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 35 of 60 Mayor Jamison:. This was very helpful for us and 1 think for y'all too, so we appreciate it. Ms. Harvlll: Thank you. CM Cookerly: Thank you very much. FIRST PRESENTATION Mayor .Jamison: That's our reports and presentations. We'll move onto first presentation. Will City Clerk please sound the item? City Clerk;. Mayor, that item is Consideration of ZM23-OINC23-02 located at 850 and 875 Hickory Flat Road currently zoned C-1 and. AG-1 by Old Crossroad Properties, LLC. Mr. W. Curtis Mills,. Jr.; for the following requests to modify condition 2a, to the revised site plan received. by the Community Development Department on April Sth, 2023, to develop a restaurant and events facility and the following four-part concurrent variance. 1.) To allow the new village center buildings (7 Acre Breakfast and Pavilion) to be set back more than 10 feet from Hickory Flat Road. 2.) To allow parking in front of the newly constructed restaurant.. 1) To eliminate the.requirement for parking. lots to be divided into small, contained areas through the use of perimeter landscaping and canopy trees and eliminating parking lot landscaping. And. 4.) To reduce the number of minimum required parking spaces required by use within the C-1 Zoning District. Ifs agenda item number 23-135. Mayor Jamison? Mayor Jamison: Thank you, Attorney Jarrard: Mayor, just a point of order on this one if you will, very quickly, I mean we've: received a letter from the applicant seeking to withdrawal this and I do think that rather than go through a first presentation and. placing of this on a. July 24th agenda that it's just going to add confusion to it. I would respectfully request. the council simply make a Motion to withdrawal this without prejudice.. Mayor Jamison; That sounds good. Any council questions for Ken? Okay. Open up for a motion? Regular Meeting of the: Milton City Council Monday, .July '10, 2023 Page 37 .of 60 went through the slides providing the genesis of this modification to. our PTV code and rather than give an entire background on the state of the law from 2012, 1 know it's very interesting but I think we've already .done that before so I thought I'd start with the actual. initiation of the city's PTV code. and really what we're .attempting to do with this modest modification. So, as you'll see on your screen, in 2020, the City of Milton taking advantage of the state law, we did in fact adapt our own PTV ordinance and not surprisingly; we used the very definition of PTV that is. baked into state law T PTV obviously meaning personal transportation'vehicle. With the core criteria that PTV has to have a minimum of four wheels, capable of a maximum level ground speed of less than 20mph, .maximum gross vehicle unladen weight of 1,375lbs. and capable of transporting more than eight persons. If we. can. go to the next slide. please. Thank you. Continuing forward, that's just additional language out of the code that is baked into our ordinance but then you see that second bullet point that provides that in addition to those. criteria, these PTVs have to have these. 10additional what I would call sort of safety elements added to them and this is where I'm going to say you have to bake these into these vehicles to make them, how about this, street. legal. That's what makes these carts street legal and we have, of course, incorporated that into our code. If we .could go to the next slide please. Linder the city's code, PTV s are allowed only on streets that are under regulation and control of the city, in other words city streets, and have a speed. limit of 25mph or less and have been determined by a qualified engineer to accommodate PTVs without adversely affecting. traffic. Keep going. Now this is where we get into,. the next. slide please,. this is where we get into the raison for. us having this. modification. From a state law perspective; the phrase "PTV" and "golf carts" are not interchangeable. Under state law, the term "golf cart". means: a vehicle uniquely designed to only 'operate' on a golf: course and would not be.a street legal PTV..However, in the city's 2.019-2020. discussion of tie PTV ordinance, there were instances during the discussion. during both the presentations of staff to include the council's discussions.. as well, were the terms. "golf carts" and "PTVs" were, in.fact, used interchangeably. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, July:10, 2023 Page 39 of 60 And I'm not going to read all this language for you, but again you got Flowery Branch and they use the statutory term PTV. And then they use the parenthetical to include golf carts, but these were presumably drafted by somebody who knew what they were.doing, to include golf carts meeting the definition of and. then they're referencing later that street legal addition of safety equipment. That's why they're using that language. And so if we go to .Roswell, again very quick now, to the next slide please, Yeah, so Roswell does the same thing, has their generic PTV definition, but then has the parenthetical to, include. golf carts. meeting the definition, Can we go to the next one please? Next Woodstock, again the same thing. Their nomenclature. is a little different. They now call it. a modified golf cart but again, we're all talking about the same thing. Something that people in their heads think is a golf. cart but has that additional street. legal safety devices thereby rendering it a :PTV, .Go to the. next slide please. Canton, once again the same sort of building in that cross reference to golf :carts. Go. to not the next slide but.. the. next one after that. Please. Thank you very much. Duluth doing the same thing and continuing. Before I can close. If you go to the next slide please. All right; so this is going %to be. the end of this brief overview. You .asked for me to look at what some of the jurisdictions have done, I have done that and so my third bullet point is. important. The fact that they reference the term golf cart does not mean that they are allowing unauthorized vehicles to operate on city streets because there is a statutory and state law definition of golf carts and that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about sort of a historical, colloquial term for these sorts:of devices. The reference to golf carts in these other jurisdictions appears as.a, in my language, historical reference point to alert citizens that. those devices that have historically.been described as golf carts and. to which we even described in some of our initial discussions about this ordinance described as golf carts — that they may operate on city streets; key, so long that they are modified with that additional safety equipment that would render them .street legal.. Regular Meetingof the. Milton City Council .Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 41 of 60 What do you. think the intent of this vehicle,. called. a golf cart, was? We know from its use in Peachtree City and other places that traditionally, one intended use was. to carry people, including on streets. So,. at the time; :any law or business contract or any other type of. binding agreement involving this vehicle would've envisioned the use. of .carrying people. on public streets. :But today, Milton's PTV ordinance enables those with certain intent 'ta 'view this ordinance as. changing the. very history of traditional golf cart use and therefore trying to invalidate such earlier laws: or binding:. agreements. it's fundamentally illogical, it's unfair, and it's harmful and it's all enabled by omitting the traditional description of these vehicles from the. ordinance. One such argument, again I think Ken touched on this, is people use one argument that they use is..that PTVs are an entirely different beast because of the required safety features. I have a couple more pictures I'm going to. hang up here for you to see. This is a 1968 Chevy Camero. It's an automobile. This car has no seatbelts '68. This is a 1997 model, Chevy Camero. This. model has no airbags. But today, those safety features are absolutely required for these automobiles to be sold. Yet they're still called automobiles and that term is still used in lawmaking contracts and binding agreements. Changing the safety.features do not change the. intended use or what they're called in lawmaking. So sensibly to me,. it's all the. people who are here today behind me, joining Me today, let's make sure that Milton's PTV ordinance accurately preserves in its language: the history of use and the intended use of these vehicles. They're essentially in our mind golf carts, traditional golf carts, with added safety features. Thank you. Mayor Jamison: Thank you, Will you please call the.next speaker. City Clerk: Mayor; invite Karen.Kemper to the podiuxn please. Ms. Kemper: Good. evening. My name is Karen. Kemper ;and I live at 15315 White. Columns Drive. I appreciate that the city is considering a clarification of`the terminology in the golf cart. PTV ordinance. My neighborhood's HGA documents are clear that golf carts are not allowed Those documents were written almost 30 years ago before the term PTV was used. Most of the golf carts that I see in my neighborhood have small children in them. Last: night when 1 was. walking my doggy I saw a grandma. and grandpa in a golf cart with their t vo young grandchildren in the back.. Grandma was pointing. Regular Meeting of the Milton City.Council Monday, July 10, 2a23. Page 43 of 68 City Clerk: That concludes public comment. Mayor Jamison: Okay;: thanks. I will close public comment and open up for any questions. or discussion at all? Ken, just one question so no miscommunication moving forward. PTV's are still allowed on city streets after this.ordinance if adopted tonight,. correct? Attorney Jarrard; .Mayor Jamison Correct, Mr. Mayor. Okay. CM Mohrig: Just — and .one `clarification too, and I know. this Was part of the long discussion we had, if a subdivision or an HOA. has a restriction on golf carts, we never intended to invalidate that: when we did our PTV ordinance. .Attorney Jarrard: I agree and. I'll say this because Pve. said it before in here. The City of Milton, at least from the respect of my office,. is not. reviewing private covenants as part of its ordinances and so, we don't intend anything. with affect to covenants. I've been listening to the same. comments. that. you all have and I understand that may have been the consequence but it was. by no means intended.. Mayor Jamison: Okay. Any other discussion? With that, I'll open up for a motion. CM Jacobus: Mr. Mayor, I make a. motion that we approve agenda item number 23-154.. CM Verhoff: Second. Mayor Jamison' Okay,. I have a motion from Councilmember Jacobus,. a second from Councilmember Verhoff to approve agenda item number 23- 154. Any discussion on the motion? All in favor please say aye. Councilmembers: Mayor Jamison: CM Johnson: Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Jacobus moved to approve Agenda Item No. 23=154. Councilmember Verhoff seconded. the motion. The motion passed (5-1.). CoundImernber Johnson. opposed the motion. Councilrnernber Moore was absent from the vote. Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10.; 2023 Page 45 of 60 one on this .list was to study and review possible changes to posted speed limits, So, we started just after the local road safety plan was completed. We. counted 10 different roads, .looked at daily volumes,speeds, average speeds, where bicycles are frequently used,: as well as lookeat neighboring jurisdictions and the speed limits approaching the city limits. And from those 10 we selected three like we felt like were good candidates to submit to DDT. That's how speed limit evaluations work far . it to be part of the. radar permit, the state DOT has to: review them first. Then they recommend the list of roads, which then we present as an ordinance, send back to DOT and then they send to .the state to update our radar permit.. $o, these highlighted are the three that. were part of roundone. We counted 10 roads and then selected these three based on some criteria. to look. at. an. incremental and systematic approach. So, these were submitted to DOT last fall and we just have received the letter — list of roads with updated speed limits for. Providence Road, the segment is highlighted. We'll see if the arrow will show up on the screen. There we. go. Providence Road until the roundabout at Freemanville all the way to the city limits. Bethany Way, the entire .length between Hagood and Hopewell. And then, the southern section of Freemanville from the roundabout from Freemanville Providence down to the city limits approaching Mayfield. We also took a look at a possible speed zone. So, we have a short section of Mayfield Road, most of it's within the most recent Mayfield district area as well. It's between the signal at Birmingham Highway and the roundabout at Charlotte Drive Heritage Walk, so we looked at reducingthe speed of that section, removing it. from the radar permit. It's a very short section with controls on both ends, so we are proposing to. lower that one for that short section. And this shows those roads at the new list of road approved speeds that we received back from DDT. So, Freemanville will drop from 40 to 35.. Providence will drop from 45 down to 40 and it'll match the section between Birmingham Highway and Freemanville Road that's already 40. Bethany Way will drop to 40 and. it matches the Hagood and I think that's Bethany Road. I think it changes its name right at.that intersection, but it'll match those speeds. And then Mayfield will Regular Meeting :of the Milton City Council Monday., Ju.1y 1Q, 2023 Rage 47 of 60 happens to. be. one of those. north of the roundabout where you're suggesting it's already 40 from 45. You're going to take the. section that's 40 down to 35 and still leave the 45 at 45. How does that make sense? I'm not Triad at you, I'm just mad at the process that still leaves .something as egregious. as that out there without being addressed and it's not going to be. addressed in the second round either. I know that's not the. only one. that's like that; I. just.don't understand how we Truss something like that. Ms. Leaders: There are some roadways where we would like to try some. additional measures..along them, whether it's the radar signs. or there's some repaving and striping that. are`going'to. happen as well that. we'd like to get the speeds. lower before we tackle those with. Freemanville and Hopewell being two of those that we. are proposing under the upcoming. SS4A grant. We're .going to look at. those two as ways to: bring in some additional striping, marking, signage. Some things we can do to try to get those speeds lower and. they become better opportunities to study and reduce. the speed. So, we study — GM Moore: The letters. I get from the. angry community about the fact that they're getting. passed at ridiculous speeds, again I'll use Freemanville. as the example. It`s countless times. on double yellow that they're getting .passed at outrageous: speeds and. yet we're lowering the speed on Southern Freemanville from 40 to 35. and. we're still. not even. touching the north part that's at 45. That's. the best example I can give you because I drive. it every single day. I experience. the passing myself.. We had the radar signs up. All I do is watch those cars flash at speeds that are well above the posted speed limit. We just got to take a more aggressive approach. in getting more of these listed ASAP. Mayor Jamison: Sara, is it fair to say; to Councilman Moore's point, is it fait to say that this is. done by data: in. order to give this to GDOT that you're saying these have the highest. probability of being' accepted? Is that part of the reason why something like that is not on there higher up? Ms. Leaders: That is and part of it is too - and now that we've got. the southern section of Freemanville lowered, it's going to rniake an easier case too that well,. south of Providence is already 35. It's a good transition to go. from 35 to 40 versus 35 to 45.. So, that is a component too that we. wanted to seehow successful Southern. Regular Meeting ofthe Milton City Council Monday,. July 10, 2023 Page 49 of :60 35mph and the sooner you can make that first.step .to get there I think the better. The other one that I guess I'd ask you to look at — I'm glad you're looking at Bethany because that stretch of Bethany Road is still. a speeding —even though it's 40, people are still flying down there. But I'd ask you also to take a look at Bethany Bend because Bethany Bend is notorious for people flying even past Highway 9 in the stretch of Highway 9 and.IVlcFinnis Ferry and that area. It's 40 and people are going:.50. Ifs.hard to pull out of subdivisions. I just think if you could look at. adding that . we're . going to go Co.ghurn South, I'd ask that you take a look at Bethany Send for the same reason. And then I know this is not your purview, but I think if we could have. the police.— none of us. are looking for speed traps or trying to make revenue by having tickets but I think I'd like to hear Chief Austin — come back and tell us where are we giving out tickets. Are we giving speeding tickets out because like: you .said,. Carol, when there's a police officer is there, the word is going to get out if people actually start getting tickets for their speeding. And we've had some deaths., some unfortunate- deaths over the: years. I just think the sooner we can do this, the better it is for ours and one last. thing kind. of unrelated, we haven't talked about, we have one road, Wood Road, that is a 15rnph speed limit. Is that an enforceable speed Iimit? You list it as 15 mph, is that really enforceable? Ms. Leaders: That's more like the specific speed zone where it's. riot. on the radar: permit, it's listed at 25 so it's only enforceable at the limit above the speed limit. like the typical state laws. CM Mohrig: So it's really technically 25. and we still — that's not. — this meeting that I still have a concern of safety mixing pedestrians, using that as a trail, and then. having people be able to drive down there just because I've seen people. almost -get hit: Little kids on little trikes and things, it's just..... I still think now that we've opened up more of our parks, i think we need to either through the. trail committee or through us take a look from a safety standpoint do we want to continue to 'still have: that designated as a. trail or do we want to officially make it a road whichis what it really is. CM Moore:. Sure, can I aska. question about that, too real. quick? In our packet there's the chart that had — Wood. Road in. particular caught my Regular Meeting of the Milton .City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 51 of GR CM Mohrig: And again, this maybe more for Chief Austin, have him come and talk to us about PTV enforcement because I just had an incident in the last week when I was. eating over at the Italian restaurant on the south side. of. Crabapple Road. Campania, I. think it is? And I was leaving with my family, I saw a .golf cart/PTV with a husband, wife, and two little kids speed across the State. Highway, across. Crabapple: I think we haven't had — thank God we have not had any accidents yet. This is a new ordinance but I think we need. to look at enforcement and actually awareness because I know someone else had called me, they had the sarne thing where someone. on Birmingham Highway was corning. from. one of the subdivisions and they wanted to try to get over to Crabapple Marketplace and they went out on Birmingham Highway, pulled out in front of the car. They were almost hit. So, that maybe is an awareness we can talk to Chief Austin both .about the speed, enforcement of speed by the police and also startto look at what. are: we doing from a PTV thing. Is the PTV licensing or stickers,. is that under you or is that under the police department? Ms. Leaders: We're hoping to come talk to you about it in the work session. Just kind. of an update on where the. registration is. CM Mohrig: Okay great, that would be great, I would: love to hear that. Nis. Leaders: That's. coming in the work session. CM Mohrig:. Thanks, CM Verhoff? Sara:,. I have one quick question to kind of build on that and:then. I won't take up any more of. your time. But with school starting soon, I've had a few folks in the Crabapple area ask me since. speeds are reduced on Birmingham Highway to 25mph during. school hours, are PTVs allowed on Birmingham Highway when it's reduced to 25mph.to drive: kids: to. school? Ms. Leaders: So, from what I've seen. with the DOT state regulations is they don't � they allow PTVs on certain width side Pathsbut even it's 25, they don't allow them on the street and Ken may know if there's.a state law that regulates how the. state. DOTS control the roads but — OM Verhoff: Okay. Regular Meeting. of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 53 of 60 City Clerk:. There's none; sir. Mayor Jamison: Close public comment. And is there. a motion'? Going once. CM Mohrig: Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion that we accept you're asking us to accept the proposed speed limit? We're not talking about future, you're talking. about - Mayor Jamison: Just approve the agenda item basically. CM Mohrig: I make a motion. that we approve that agenda item.. CM Johnson: Second. Mayor Jamison:. Okay, I have a motion from Councilmember Mohrig and a second from Councilmember Johnson to approve item 234 55: Any discussion on the motion? All in favor please say aye? Councilmembers: Aye. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Mohrig moved to approve. Agenda Item No. 23-155. Councilmember Johnson seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). NEW BUSINESS Mayor Jamison: Any opposed? That's unanimous. CM Cookerly: Thank you. Mayor Jamison: Thanks. Sara. Moving onto. new business, will. the City Clerk please sound the item. City Clerk: That item is. consideration of a contract with Ten-S Fire & Safety, LLC for the provision.of an engine pumper apparatus to. the Milton Fire Rescue Department. for Station. 45. his agenda. item number. 23-169. Our Fire Chief::Chief Gabe Benmoussa. Chief Benmoussa: .Evening Mayor and Council. I have a presentation. Okay, so initially when we talked :about what type of apparatus: we should. get for Station. 45, we had talked about. getting a. quick: ladder and that quick ladder was once. we get it, we were going to move it over to Highway 9, Deerfield Corridor because that's.. where we have most of the. apartment complexes, commercial where we require the water flow for ISO. So, we went back and. looked. at Regular Meeting of the Milton City. Council Mond ay,..luly % 2023: Rage 65 of 60 for $700,000.00 So, we looked at how can we leverage and not buy that ladder truck, so what we're going to do is what we call a ladder tender concept, it's been used other places in the :country. I've personally worked on one in Arizona early on in my career where we. — we'll take the reserve B 1 ladder that we have out of reserve and we would put it at Station 44 with the engine. And we would Coleman that with no additional staffing required so essentially; if we have a fire, if we have a big commercial fire..in the Highway. 9/Deerfield area, they would take the appropriate apparatus for that. So; in a sense, it saves miles on both because they'll be running the engines. for medical calls, some of the regular car wrecks, accidents, and then for fire calls, they will take the actual ladder: So, it. gives us the water flaw for those big commercial structures. It requires an investment obviously in purchasing — we already have part of our cancer preventionprogram, we already have — our staff already has two sets of turnout gear but. they don't have two sets of boots and helmets. So, for us to — for that model to work effectively, we would have to equip all our firefighters: with a second set of `fire boots and helmets. Because when they come in the morning, Station 45, they'll put. all their gears on the engine, on the ladder, so the. only thing they'll need if they need to 'take the ladder truck is just the radios which they have on thetas. So, the. ladder would be fully stocked :ready to go. So, that's the model, that's the ladder tender model. Phoenix, Arizona, 28 cities in that metro consortium that we have in Phoenix that we had, 28 cities, they all use that model and it works very good. It saves miles, it saves the wear and tear on the engines because you're using both rather than just ladder truck and that's what we call the ladder tender concept. So, we have an engine and a ladder and we take the appropriate resource to the. fire. We would develop that policy, that standard. operating guideline. So., that cost when adding second boots and heltriets and as well as the NCDA. mask because we don't want somebody to forget their mask, take it from. this engine to put on the ladder; so we would have to have a second set of masks which is actually in line for best practices for cancer prevention is you want to have two sets of masks because if they go to a fire, typically take them out of service, they'll wash their gear, they'll put .their other set of gear on,. they'll wash their mask, they'll have. it ready. That cost is $K2 010. Regular Meeting.of the Milton City Council Monday, ,July 40, 2023 page 67 of 60 :Chief 13enmoussa: 803. There's a.... let me show you with. the new: packer where it says; right here. Packer 510, this. is. a .stock engine which is item 39432, $979,000.00. This is just for the stock engine so this is not. a custom which you typically do because when we custom,. they customize cabinets, they customize it; they put airbags all around, all kinds of things. I think, to me, it's an. engine - a stock engine will do the job just as .good. So for the price? And that's what I'm saying we wouldn't have to replace .any apparatus. until 2030 when. we would start. to replace them. That would leave us with two reserve if we :sell that one, leave us with a reserve quint which is also .16 years ol.d., That also gives. us another ;engine that's also 16. but they're well maintained and our apparatus replacement is based :on years, it's based on mileage and we don't put a lot of miles on our fire. trucks: So, they would last us.15-1.6 years, that long before we would have to replace. Our replacement plan. and also by purchasing this engine for $700,000.00 it. allows us to reduce our CIP, what we,put away every year froiii .560-500,000 every year to be ready.for the apparatus: because the engines are going to be corning up between .a 2030 and 2035 yeah. All the current existing engines. Just looking at different ways. to. save money and. leverage what we. have. Mayor. Jamison:. Appreciate. it Good to be proactive at this.. Y'all got any questions for chief? CM Jacobus: I guess my question. is,.if dollars. weren't. an object here, would you rattier have the quint? Would the quint put. us in a better position long term? Chief Benmoussa: Absolutely because it's a versatile because it's an engine/ladder. It's a multi -tool, yes. I just got cost at $19. 1 couldn't even believe it that the same quint that we bought three years ago that we ordered three years ago went from. $1.3 to $1.9. But yes, it would be - if it was not an object, yes, it would be. And that's why we wanted to leverage what we — because. the E1 that we have, the ladder that we. have is only six years old so it's really in great shape and it's a good - that's why we wanted to use it in tandem with the engine,. it. just doesn't have a pump. So, we have. to use both of them.. But yes, the quint would be better but with using the ladder over at the 9 corridor helps us and gives us the ladder coverage where the last ISO rating that we. did, we got zero points for the ladder because our ladder was outside the city. It was .based in Alpharetta.. So we got zero points. Having the Regular Meeting of the Milton City Council Monday, July 10, 2023 Page 59 of Sa. EXECUTIVE SESSION Mayor Jamison: Don.'t use all those index points:right now. All right. Any council reports? Okay. With. that we'll move onto executive session to discuss personnel, land acquisition, and potential litigation, Do I have a motion? CM Moore.: So moved. Mayor Jamison: Do I have a second? CM Johnson; Second. .Mayor.Jamison Okay that. was Councilmember Moore and second from Johnson, all in favor say aye. Councilmernbers: Aye. Mayor Jamison: Any opposed? Okay. Motion and. Vote:. Coo ncilmember Moore moved to adjourn into. Executive Session of 8:09pm. Councilmember Johnson seconded the motion. The motion. passed (7-0). RECONVENE Mayor Jamison: I've got Mohrig .arid Moore, all in favor say aye. Councilmembers: Aye. Motion and Vote: Councilmember Mohrig moved to reconvene into the Regular Meeting. at 8:53pm. Councilmember Moore seconded the motion. The motion passed (7-0). ADJOURNMENT CM Mohrig. CM Moore: Mayor Jamison: Motion to adjourn. Second. Mohng and Moore, all in favor say aye. Councilrnembers: Aye: